Quote Originally Posted by donniedorko
You ARE extremists, sorry. To think that citizens should be able to buy military grade arms is nuts. We have enough problems as it is now.

I mean, yeah, sure if Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have them we should too! They also have public hangings, no rights for women, and forced religion. Woohoo! Let's do that here too. And any guesses as to what the penalty for weed is in Saudi?

Yes, I was referring to the Americans with Disabilities Act. And no, civil rights were not "going to happen anyway." Maybe in another couple hundred years. But there was absolutely nothing short of the power of the federal government that could have forced the Southern states to give voting rights to their minority citizens. Indeed, the whole idea of protecting the minority from the majority is the downfall of libertarian philosophy. There's just nothing that will make those changes happen in the fairytale world libertarians inhabit, and when asked about it, their response is to spout platitudes about how things would change eventually, when anyone familiar with American history (or indeed world history) knows that isn't true.
So you DO admit civil rights was going to happen anyway...

You were lied to. To think the war of northern aggression was only or even mostly about slavery is ignorance. Tell me what is more important: What the rules are, or who makes the rules?? Cheap labor was not a nation-breaking issue. The bigger issue was over who makes the rules...the federal govt, or the states. The question of if there would be 50 seats of power or 1. If the south wins, then every state CONTINUES to vote on its own issues....if the north wins, Washington DC makes all the rules. Of course, the winner writes the history books... Many minority groups were fighting for the south on their own free will bc their southern state was going to indentured servitude (work off a plot of land/house) or total freedom.

The right people in office is all it takes to make libertarian changes. Nothing about that is impossible or fairytale. People in power wanting to keep power is all that stops it. The fairytale world is the world where people think the democrat and republican parties are actually different political parties.

Your "point" about saudi arabia/pakistan is just redirecting the subject. They have totally different histories than us and are NOT granted the same rights we are. They didnt have a revolution for these rights like we did. Apples and oranges. "Illegal" weapons are just as, if not more available now than they would be if they were legal. (just as weed was/is) Its not a question of "so should we......?"...that time has passed. we already do have "illegal" weapons, everywhere.

Yeah, if we make/export any technology or product, that is now widely available worldwide, we should have the right to buy it. Its available anyway. Pakistan has them, Saudi Arabia has them, Russia has them....mexico, everyone has all the weapons they want to buy...including us. What you are scared of (widespread availability of weapons) is already here. Criminals can buy weapons that you cant. You cant legislate weapons out of existence. Your crime prevention didnt work. Americans can already buy whatever weapon you can possibly imagine from foreign organized crime, here, now, today. Your gun laws arent stopping anything. Anyone that wants an rpg today can buy one from ivan or pedro if you have the money. same thing with fully auto anything, armor piercing whatever. C4 and all kinds of bombs included. Prohibition does not work. Not even on guns. It should be legal and commonly available but with checks (ID, background) Whats safer, checks or no checks? There will be no checks as long as its illegal. Im not saying rpgs should be issued to every household.

To think the military should be afforded rights above the average citizen is nuts. They serve and protect us. They are from us. We have the power. Not them. Whatever power they have is because we give it to them. They work for us. Public servants for our society. Much like how politics are supposed to be. Not the other way around. There is no such thing as "military" grade, only american grade. With gun control you should just rename it to "criminal" grade.

We will continue to have even bigger problems if we let our rampant govt. disarm or outgun us. (which some argue has already happened and the peoples lack of control of their govt is cause for many of these current problems)

This is a thread about tancredo though, so I apoligize for the semi off topic rants.......it IS like casting pearls before swine...lol
ds0110 Reviewed by ds0110 on . Tancredo moves within 4 points of Hickenlooper Last Friday Tom Tancredo the 3rd party constitutional candidate and pro-legalization marijuana advocate was 8 points behind Hickenlooper. One week later (yesterday) Rasmussen is showing him at 4 points behind. Tom Tancredo is gaining quickly--while Dan Maes is floundering at 12%. Hickenlooper numbers have not gone up--and it is showing a 2 or 3 point drop for Hickenlooper in the last week. I hope most of you will join me (in crossing party lines) to vote for this advocate of legalising Rating: 5