Males, Females, and early recognition

[Horsemanrocks]

This questionâ?¦.is it a maleâ?¦..is it a femaleâ?¦..comes up so often that I thought that Iâ??d try to consolidate information in one spot. This isnâ??t so much new information as Iâ??ve seen a lot of this posted elsewhereâ?¦.just an attempt to â??bring it all togetherâ?�.

The Genotype used here is a nostalgia strain called â??Gainesville Greenâ?�. Itâ??s a hybrid and quite sativa dominateâ?¦..if in fact others experience different results with different strains then this is the place to show and tell.

We will always have new growers here (the teachers of tomorrow) so Iâ??ll start off with the basics. A male nanners, anthers, or balls (technically a male calyx) and a female â??calyxâ?�.
As we progress into early recognition Iâ??ll probably just use the word â??nubâ?� (for which Iâ??ll probably take some heat) as theoretically it isnâ??t mature enough to be either one yet.

Weâ??ll start off with a picture of balls (male). These are developed enough that there is no doubt as to their sex. I wonâ??t be posting anything more developed here as Iâ??ll be working to the less developed end of the spectrum. For new growers and experienced alikeâ?¦..hereâ??s a link sent to me by Weezard dedicated to pictures of males only. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=130287 Just beautiful, thanks for the contribution Weeze.

The important thing for the beginner to study is the overall shape of the podâ?¦.itâ??s fullness and itâ??s taper (or lack there of). Getting that feeling in mind will help us as we regress to the lesser developed â??nubsâ?�.
Notice also that the nanners come in clusters and that this early on the calyx (calyces) stand alone. Later on when the calyx clusterâ?¦..thatâ??d be your budsâ?¦.Bud!
For the beginner notice that both calyx and nanners both develop at the internode junctions.

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And weâ??ll work our way backwards to some a little less obvious. Theyâ??re actually much harder to see with the naked eyeâ?¦.thankfully the magnification of the camera shows the true character earlier on.

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Higher up even the camera doesnâ??t magnify enough to be totally clear. But the clustering pretty much gives him away.

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Now since Iâ??m only allowed 5 pictures per post hereâ??s a couple of females. Theyâ??re pretty youngâ?¦.but thatâ??s what suits our purpose. An early female doesnâ??t photograph all that well from straight on so here are a few profiles.


The first one young enough that only a single pistil is present.
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Hereâ??s another even youngerâ?¦.itâ??s still so new and the pistil is so very fine that it doesnâ??t show up very well. But it is there even at such an early stage of development. This particular plant is only going to give us one calyx on this side. If you look through the crotch to the back side you can see the two pistils of a more developed calyx.
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That should be enough so that the untrained eye can pick up the difference. So letâ??s move on to factors for early determination. Weâ??ll talk about the females here and do the males in a following post as weâ??ll need more pictures.

The first thing to notice for the females is the conical shape of the calyx. Wide at the base where it grows right off the main stem, straight to a pointy end where the pistil emerges. The overall shape is the giveaway.

Also to notice is that the calyx attaches tight to the stem (it doesnâ??t stand off).

This particular plant was topped at the seventh node. The calyx develops here firstâ?¦.and matures here first. It doesnâ??t take a lot of time for the calyx to throw a pistil. So all in all the female is the quicker to identify in itâ??s early stages.

I'll move on to part 2
HMR

Horsemanrocks Reviewed by Horsemanrocks on 10-12-2010. Males, Females, and early recognition This questionâ?¦.is it a maleâ?¦..is it a femaleâ?¦..comes up so often that I thought that Iâ??d try to consolidate information in one spot. This isnâ??t so much new information as Iâ??ve seen a lot of this posted elsewhereâ?¦.just an attempt to â??bring it all togetherâ?�. The Genotype used here is a nostalgia strain called â??Gainesville Greenâ?�. Itâ??s a hybrid and quite sativa dominateâ?¦..if in fact others experience different results with different strains then this is the place to Rating: 5

[Horsemanrocks]

The males are a little slower to develop. Iâ??ll start with some pictures and work backwards to the earlier stages.


The thing to notice here (beyond the rather plump ball shape) is that the balls are going to want to stand off the main stalk on their own little stem. The female calyx grows tight to the main stalk but the males are going to want to eventually stand off.
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Hereâ??s one a little earlier. Youâ??ll probably have to zoom in to see that the ball is away from the stalk on itâ??s own less developed stem.
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And here in itâ??s infancy. The one on the left shows the ball forming and the narrowing coming off the main stalk. Thatâ??s where it will elongate itâ??s stem later on.
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And another showing the ball and the â??stem to beâ?� coming off the main stalk.
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This plant was also topped at the seventh node. So this will be the spot to watch for the first indication.
WARNINGâ?¦.do not expect the nub to mature here firstâ?¦.while the plant will give you the first â??nubâ?� here, look above for the first mature balls on higher or newer growth.

I hope that this serves the community for early recognition and to get the males out of the grow room as early as possible. If youâ??re still not sure remember that you have about ten days from the time that the males are quite obvious to remove them from the presence of â??Le Femmeâ?�.

HMR

[PurpleRoot]

thanks horseman, the info helped me out a lot, I'm a newbie that has never seen growing boys and girls before, helped me A+ in id'ing my babies.

[WashougalWonder]

Very good pictures to show the differences. :thumbsup:

[Horsemanrocks]

Purpleroot,

Glad to be of help, thatâ??s why I went to the trouble. And thanks for finally bumping this threadâ?¦.after about 250 reads it needed to get back to the top where the newer growers can find it. This question gets asked so often.

WW,

A nice compliment coming from someone who spends so much of their time and experience giving back to the community. Thanks for all you helpâ?¦.even if sometimes they forget to say it themselves.


HMR.

[oldmac]

Hello HMR,

I'm glad this did get bumped up too :thumbsup:

Missed it initially, but you know how us newer growers are....slow on the uptake!

Excellent thread and great pictures, I think I may even be able to figure out which is male and which are female with this great reference. Keep up the good work.

OM

[Horsemanrocks]

Coudnâ??t unnerstan yaâ??â?¦..prolly had yer tongue in yer cheek!

Sonnyboy.


Picture quality a gift from Sr. Zardlyâ?¦.Gracias Wee!

[Weezard]

Coudnâ??t unnerstan yaâ??â?¦..prolly had yer tongue in yer cheek!

Sonnyboy.


Picture quality a gift from Sr. Zardlyâ?¦.Gracias Wee!

Shucks!
Pictures are easy.

This thread has been well crafted.

I'm impressed with the clarity of presentation.
Wish I could do dat.


I'd call it "sticky" quality.:thumbsup:

"You must spread..."

Mahalo nui.

Wee

[Horsemanrocks]

"You must spread..."

It seems that no matter how much rep I give, Iâ??m never allowed to give rep a second time to the same person. If I remember correctly Redtails has the same glitch going for him. Maybe a moderator will wander by with the ability to fix that.

I always try to show my appreciation for good workâ?¦.sometimes that means saying thank you in somebodyâ??s album. Then of course thereâ??s guys like Headshake with no album. I posted a very weak picture for an album just for the purpose of communication. (you listening Shake)?

I'd call it "sticky" quality.

Thatâ??s probably a good ideaâ?¦..cuz I imagine the question is gonna be asked a time or two more.

Well Weeze the biggest comment has been the quality of the picturesâ?¦.Job well done. :thumbsup:

L8r mini gator,
HMR

[oldmac]

HMR, Yeah I think my tongue was in my cheek when I typed that.

But I'm with the 'zard on this one....should be a sticky! :thumbsup:

OM (hey I didn't have to spread the love, guess I hadn't hit you up in awhile)