help a girl out!!! lots of pics.

[Rusty Trichome]

Molasses is a replacement for CalMag and SuperThrive. (Grandma's or Brer Rabbit are common in growrooms nationwide) It provides calcium, magnesium, iron, carbon, carbs and some micronutrients. Acts like a 'nutrient assistant' supposedly adding to the effeciency of most nutrients.

It's a very bad idea to switch between ferts. Jacks (the old Peters line) isn't the best fert to begin with, or you wouldn't need to switch back-n-forth. It's by no means the worst, but it is similar to Miracle Grow All Puropse, which I use when temporarily out of my Fox Farms line.

With Dynagrow Growth formula, it says on their website that the components will hold water longer, but both will add to salt build-up in the soil. Regular monthly flushes with properly ph'd water helps to release the salts and prevent salt build-up common with inorganic nutrients. I flush on the first of every month. (easy to remember)

I'd pick a nutrient and stick with it, flush with plain properly ph'd water, and start with the molasses at 1 tsp per gallon, once a week. And for goodness sake, follow the directions. Most directions give a weekly feeding schedule, but some are for a 10 day to 2 week period. This means plain, properly ph'd water between feedings, when necessary.

In the summer I don't usually add perlite, and if I do it's not much. In the summer you'll want a little bit of moisture retention. In the winter, I add up to 20% perlite, depending on the soil used...because the soil will hold moisture too long which can damage roots and throw-off watering/feeding schedules. Plus, the more perlite you add, the easier it is for the nutrients to just run right through the medium and end-up in the drip tray, wasting nutrients and money. Your growroom might or might not be a stable enviornment throughout the year, but this does display the need to be flexible and understand the seasonal changes.

[headshake]

sharlson, why did you add lime to the sunshine no.4? it is prebuffered with dolomitic lime. has your plant been in it's current container for longer than 2 or 2 1/2 months?

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[Randm999]

It looks to me like its been over nuted. You should not have to add nutes to such a young plant until it uses up that which is already in the soil mix.
I do not start adding nutes until a couple of weeks befor I am ready to 'flip' the plants into 12/12.
If I were you I would consider 1 of 2 cures.
1) repot into fresh soil mix
2) flush with ph'd water

Just my opinion.

[headshake]

It looks to me like its been over nuted. You should not have to add nutes to such a young plant until it uses up that which is already in the soil mix.
I do not start adding nutes until a couple of weeks befor I am ready to 'flip' the plants into 12/12.
If I were you I would consider 1 of 2 cures.
1) repot into fresh soil mix
2) flush with ph'd water

Just my opinion.

if the plant is over nuted, why would you re-pot into soil that has more nutes in it? you said you let your plant use up the nutes in the soil before adding any, so why add more by re-potting? when troubleshooting a problem you want to simplify, or take the most variables out of the puzzle that you can.

do you have any idea of the nute content in sunshine mix no.4?

the advice you are giving is a direct contradiction. wtf.

flushing would do you way better in this situation.


sharlson, listen to rusty and pic one nutes. i know i've hard of others getting good results with the dynagrow. never used it personally though.


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[sharlson]

thanks for your replies everyone. i appreciate all your help!

rusty- thanks for helping! yeah maybe not a good idea to switch back and forth. was following a few old school growers threads who had really good results with both these nuts. one switching back and forth. the other not. everything they said about both nuts made a lot of sense to me, so��supposedly the jacks is way better than the miracle grow, but, what do i know really?
with the sunshine mix ive been doing water, feed, water with plenty of runoff each time to limit the build up. definitely been following both nuts schedules as per bottle, but have read so many conflicting opinions about following the bottles vs following a more scheduled ec increase by week. like week 3 1.0, week 4, 1.2 etc. been confused about that for sure and have been trying to read the plants. not so good at that yet i guess.
i amended the sunshine initially with the perlite and im not sure if this is my issue???? my room temps and humidity are pretty controlled and stable.

headshake- thanks for your response! i added lime after reading as much as i could about the sunshine mix and the lime it comes with not sticking around as long as i need it. my veg is long and when i pot up for the bloom room yeah they're in the pot about two months. think i shouldn't? and the mix really doesn't have much nutes in it at all - pretty inert after a week or so.

randm999- yeah, i thought they were overnuted too, which is why i flushed initially. the first two pics are before the flush, and the next ones are the same leaf/plant issues popping up again after picking off the destroyed leaves. the sunshine mix only has an initial starter charge of about a week or soâ?¦ these plant, though surely very stunted are more than a month old. i did repot some of the larger ones that had lots of roots swirling around last night into new mix though. i didn't flush.

[headshake]

headshake- thanks for your response! i added lime after reading as much as i could about the sunshine mix and the lime it comes with not sticking around as long as i need it. my veg is long and when i pot up for the bloom room yeah they're in the pot about two months. think i shouldn't? and the mix really doesn't have much nutes in it at all - pretty inert after a week or so.

yeah, it's not much nutes at all. just a little quick charge they call it, or something like that. you should resume regular feeding 7-10 days after transplanting.

that comment was meant for Randm9999. i should have quoted you. sorry for the confusion.


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[Hempsouth]

Did the leaf tips start turning brown first or did the leaves start yellowing first?

They look like they can be salvaged IMO, it will just stunt & slow them down. If you had a quick hot Ph dive it may have toasted the roots though.

I recently started using recycled soil and did not do a test watering with it checking for runoff Ph. So I cooked a couple of seedlings, but I was able to add lime and bring them back to life with a transplant. These did not get nutes at all and they looked very similar to yours.

[sharlson]

thanks for your replies!

headshake yeah will do. thanks.

hempsouth- hey. the third pic down is how it starts. tan -yellowy, then .....
im hoping to save them for sure. beforei flushed em the first time, the ph was at about 5.8 - the lowest. dont think that would do it do you? that was with lime in there, but maybe the salt build up affected (dropped) the ph? im sure i was overwatering a bit at first, so maybe, hopefully, theyre just deficient on multiple fronts and my repot last night will solve something. hoping so..........

[polishpollack]

Give us an update in a few days.

[sharlson]

hempsouth- okay! not much change today but ill post back. thanks