Just Another Crappy Day in Paradise Grow Log....Part Two.

[bigsby]

Oh yeah - throw that chicken stuff in the mix. But you will need to be careful with the resulting compost as it will be nitrogen rich. You won't need as much nutes using that. As well, it could easily burn your young plants so you probably don't want to use if for seedlings.

[goliath808]

''since i mentioned breeding, i should ask for a few tips on that topic. well for now imma just ask, are there certain traits to look for in diff plants that could be a determining factor of some killa offspring''


If you go back to the 1st thread you will see that he has said that the seeds that are used to the environment gets the biggest bang. But with that season over, this thread is making seeds grown in the environment to grow in the long season, which is ''the'' time to grow/re veg=giant yield. So buy a bag of weed thats been grown on the rock your on and grow em all. Then the long season will give you a plenty when reading, practice and everything else you need to deal with there.

After all that and want to breed your own strain, you pick what you like from each of each male and female that you like and breed them together:thumbsup:and thats that:wtf:



:rasta:

rajah..yea im pretty sure the plant i got know is a home grown plant from my island, so are the other 2 seeds.. as for it being what I like, my fren smoked it during the summer, i was in jail at the time, hes not too sure on the strain but he said its grade A stuff. i trust his insight on it. its has a rerally sweet smell, i think its because i keep throwing in guava to the soil since it was a sprout, still doing so, not the big yellow ones but the waiwi, thats the small red quava. and i can certainly smell the guava in the buds. and i cant wait to taste it... hopefully it taste as good as it smells.

but as for the offspring topic, i heard that just because the mother or father plant were good doesnt neccesarily mean that the new plants grown from it will be good, that it depends on the enviornment, soil, care/work put in to it, stress etc... so hopefully i did good for my first time i am certain that my plant has minimum stress and in a good enviornment cuz its a really peaceful neighborhood nd theres NOT a lot of disturbances like noises and what not. and the air is clean so im pretty sure that helps!

[LetsSeeYa]

rajah..yea im pretty sure the plant i got know is a home grown plant from my island, so are the other 2 seeds.. as for it being what I like, my fren smoked it during the summer, i was in jail at the time, hes not too sure on the strain but he said its grade A stuff. i trust his insight on it. its has a rerally sweet smell, i think its because i keep throwing in guava to the soil since it was a sprout, still doing so, not the big yellow ones but the waiwi, thats the small red quava. and i can certainly smell the guava in the buds. and i cant wait to taste it... hopefully it taste as good as it smells.

but as for the offspring topic, i heard that just because the mother or father plant were good doesnt neccesarily mean that the new plants grown from it will be good, that it depends on the enviornment, soil, care/work put in to it, stress etc... so hopefully i did good for my first time i am certain that my plant has minimum stress and in a good enviornment cuz its a really peaceful neighborhood nd theres NOT a lot of disturbances like noises and what not. and the air is clean so im pretty sure that helps!

Its good you have some seeds that were grown there. But you might ask around as most smokers have a few seeds laying around that they would give you.

As far as the ''offspring'' the male genetics and the female genetics are written in stone in the seed. ex. if you grow out a strain that tends to mold easy, this is not what you want in your breeding project. And of course it takes experience and thats where choosing the correct soil, knowing how to grow in your environment and many other knowledgeable task's it takes to grow. Plus you need to learn what to look for in a parent plant. But if i were you id grow out your first plant and watch it grow, you learn a lot just by watching the plant grow. And keep up on this thread. This is the thread that will get ya where ya wanna be, if you read the first thread. Man id be hanging on every post bro:thumbsup:




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[rudy2010]

That is absoutly correct you need to compost poo longer or it can burn your plants. I knew an experienced grower that killed his field by having a truckload of cow or horse poo spread on it. The next year of course the field was perfect.

[goliath808]

I guess if you are throwing dog shit into the mix you probably want to leave it a year but otherwise, a properly constructed and tended compost pile should be complete in 6 - 8 weeks. Piss is also a great additive to any compost pile. The pile needs adequate drainage, periodic aeration, and nitrogen additives from time to time (hence the piss).

Careful with the seed that go in there. They are killed by the composting process so long as you achieve optimum thermophilic composting which generates significant heat. However, you need at least a cubic meter of material to achieve these results. Otherwise, the seeds and pathogens will live on.

you mentioned the piss for nitrogen... just a quick question, i dont know if youll be able to answer it or not but just in case you can... do the minerals and neutrients we take in also come out in the pee as neutritions for the soil? lets use calcium for example, if i take calcium pills on a normal basis and pee in the compost pile, would that raise the calcium levels in the compost?

[canniwhatsis]

LOL!

OH has got to be thrilled with this thread Jack! "How much Piss and Poop can you put into your compost pile? and how dose my diet effect it?" *gads this site needs to let me link the ROFL smiley I have!*


Good info none the less as I'm wondering kinda the same thing about my make shift compost pile I'm working for my pepper bed next year.

[oldhaole]

LOL!

OH has got to be thrilled with this thread Jack! "How much Piss and Poop can you put into your compost pile? and how dose my diet effect it?" *gads this site needs to let me link the ROFL smiley I have!*


Good info none the less as I'm wondering kinda the same thing about my make shift compost pile I'm working for my pepper bed next year.

I just about shit myself ROTFL when I read this. Sweet Jesus, This has certainly jumped the shark. Maybe some brave soul will start another thread somewhere.... anywhere.... but not here...

My Plants Look Like Shit....Must Be My Diet.

I gotta follow that? How?....I say this in the nicest possible way

Big, Thank you for the compost tutorial.

LSY, Thank You for answering the questions a lot kinder than I would.

and goliath,....AAAHHHHHHHHGHGHH.....your a newb. Learn to grow the plant before you figure out your dietary needs.

Back to Reality. Back to watching paint dry.

The first batch of plants have reached three feet. If my damaged brain recalls right These were planted Sept 29. So they have been growing for seven weeks. These are the first ones I want to get to five feet. They may just make it.

Batch two are the Femmed (I sure as hell hope so) seeds. I did not boost them with lights, On these I put them in small, the sooner they tell me if they are all girls, the sooner I see if this worked. Partner has alot of these seeds, and if they are girls, we can save a trip into the field. We would be able to dump them in and come back to harvest. No real need make an extra trip to male.

Three is a Sativa from B.
Four is Strawberry Kush (not White Russian) from M.
Five is Diesel from M.
Six is an old style HB from B.

All of these have been cracked and planted. Unless I find something real tasty the seed search is done. Next up is breeding.

[bigsby]

I love how you are disappointed with anything less than a 5' plant... I ScrOG mine so that they can achieve the equivalent of 4'. It puts that last grow into perspective! No more thread jacking. I promise...

[oldhaole]

When I wake up I'm looking at the blue sky. "Pretty white clouds, but why the hell am I in the mud? Shit! At least I am not in the hospital like last time. I think I broke my nose. Where the hell is all this blood comming from?? Oh shit it's mine! What the hell just happened?"

As I wobble up my phone chirps. Partner calling. "Where are you?" he asks.
"Hell if I know" I answer. "Why is my quad in the cane?" Follow the tracks, and it becomes obvious.

The day started off easy enough. Partner had a day off and I am doing my usual nothing, Both of us are cracking seeds and we plan a return to the cane fields. Both of us have blown up our legal numbers, and we are looking for places to grow our "overage".

Maui has 35,000 acres of sugar cane. We are the last Island that still grows sugar. When I moved here in the '60 we had 3 mills and more than 60,000 acres in sugar on Maui. Sugar was grown on Kauai, Oahu, Maui, and the Big Island. Now the only sugar plantation left standing is HC&S. That stands for Hawaii Commercial and Sugar, though to us it means Harvest Cannibis and Smoke.

Growing in the cane is real simple. Every eight feet there is a drip line. On either side of the drip they plant 2 ft lenghts of sugar stalks. These lenghts of seed cane root and grow into 25 ft stalks of cane. We were going into the young cane and removing one side of the seed cane to make a hole so we could plant there later.

There is security in the fields, in cute little Ford trucks, but both of us are on Suzuki 500 LT quads, so we can run if necessary. We also know places where we can cross the irrigation ditches and they can't, so escape is not hard. Except when you get hit in the face going 40 by a big old thick wet stalk of cane. Then you wind up on the dirt wondering what the hell happened. That 'll teach me not to wear a helmet.

By this time I hear my partner getting closer. He is following my trail. I also hear a truck motor and that means Security is out there too. Time to get out of Dodge. Start the quad and drive it thru the cane. Right down the row. Let's see them chase me in here. Get thru the field. I can go left or right, chose left. Oh shit! Security is comming down the road! He puts the truck sideways to block the road. I slide the quad behind his truck and I'm gone.
Hit the main road and find the ugliest side road I can find and head up the hill.
Throttle up the hill and wait.

Sure enough the security truck makes the turn and is flying up the hill. Persistant little bastard. They have radios and by this time they are setting up to block us off. Time to bail. Say bye bye. I'm gone. Head further up the hill and I find a field that they are watering. That's what I'm looking for. Little Ford trucks don't do well in mud. I find a giant puddle, fly thru it and find a dry spot. Wait. Call partner. Nothing.

Here he comes! Hits the mud and SPLAT. Watch the truck slow, then sink in. Come on buddy,... floor it!.... Nice try.... Bummer dude, your stuck! To bad so sad. Make my day! See ya!

By now I'm sure the have the top blocked off. Call partner again. he answers. "Where are you? OK I'll find you". Back down the hill. find his tracks and follow.

A few minutes later there he is. "What happened to you?" he says

"Don't ask" I reply. "I put one of those fuckers in the mud. Stuck to the axels"

"Bastard tried ram me" partner says. "I going fix him up".

Oh oh...I've seen this before. Partners quad is sitting on a concrete slab, in a nest of baseball sized stones. Rear wheels are facing down the road. I want to watch, but not so I'll get busted for what will happen next. I nestle in the cane and sure enough a little Ford truck is comming. Partner just sits. Truck pulls up behind partner. Partner put it in third gear, opens the throttle, holds the front brake, and dumps the clutch. The nest of rocks he was sitting on become projectiles. Poor bastard opens the door and there are 50 baseball sized stone comming at him.

After the dust clears, the windshield is busted, the drivers side window is gone, and the truck looks like somebody worked the front over with a sledge hammer. Quads rule....again. Now its time to go home. Fast. But instead of leaving from the top we head to where we stashed the gas, fuel up and go the long way home. Later after dark...like midnight, we go grab the truck and trailer. A fun day done.

My nose ain't broke , but I look like a racoon. We got what needed to be done,done. As soon as these starts are ready, they have homes to go to.

Why in the world are we messing with security? We will be in the cane this year. We need to train them not to chase us. After a trip or two like the last one, HC&S will put out a memo instructing security not to chase motorcycles. They will be instructed to call the cops. And the cops know better than to chase people in the fields. They have wrecked enough cars in there. They already have a policy of not going off road in their blue and whites.

I have not ridden my quad in a long damn time. We keep them stashed for special occasions. And I do have extra plastics so I can change the colors. When we plant we only take one. One of us works, the other cruses the fields, leaving trails, and making sure the other is alone.

In my younger years I planted exclusivly in the fields. In those days we worked on the Lahina side. It was heaven. We must have put 500 patches in and only got ripped off twice. The place was so forgiving I could take seeds, pots, and dirt up in the cane, enough rain fell that I could get my starts going there and just move them to their final homes. But alas, The mill closed down 20 years ago, and that came to a grinding halt.

So we moved to the central valley. Then the fields were not gated, so the batu heads would grid search the fields. That year I lost 90% to rips. Next year was the same. So I gave up.

Now the fields in the central valley are all gated. We have the keys, and the berms are easy to hop, and the rif raf is gone. Once we train security, we should have the place to ourselves. Thirty five thousand acres will be wide open. Prime lowland, dry, hot, and complete with water, is calling me.

This'll be fun.

[oldhaole]

Another trip into the fields. Holidays are best to do this trip. With the exception of a few hana wai men all the cane fields are deserted. Unlike last Friday, where everybody was working, and we attracted some attention, yesterday we had the place to ourselves. The four security guards on duty were all in their little shack watching football. So they left us alone, and we left them alone.

What we are doing, I call advance work. We stashed gas, opened up areas we will later plant in, and cut fence and built a hidden drop gate, in case an emergency escape is needed. We may never use it, but it gives us one more way out if all others are cut off. Now we are ready to drop starts, just as soon as they are big enough. After we were done we even had time to head down to the beach, and hop into the ocean and wash off the mud. All in all a real easy day.

At the house the starts are doing as well as can be expected. Partner harvested a 5 gallon bucket of time release fertilizer, from work, and I hit everything with it. Lost a corner of a tray of starts when one of the mutts pissed in it.

Of my two biggest plants in the gulch (the ones in the pictures above) one went male, and the other fagged. Needless to sat they are no longer with us.

There is one male left. I'll let it live for another week, The girls in the gulch are just starting to bud, so I will let nature take it's course. If you polinate your girls real young, all the seeds should be at the base of your buds, easy to dig out, but the tops will be unseeded and very smokable.

Before I take the male, I will gather as much pollen as I can in a paper envelope. That goes in the freezer. There it will last long enough to make seeds from the other strains I choose to cross it with. The first cross is with itself. Always. As long as I have the pollen in the freezer, I can pick and choose my crosses. All I need is the male from each strain with the best traits I am looking for. Some of the traits I look for in a male is size, branch development, compound flowers, and overall health. I am working with 6 different strains, so in the end, I should have 36 different crosses. When the buds mature we will taste test all of them....that should be fun.

Then I pick the best of the best. Those will be my long season crop. In theory this should be easy. But it isn't. I simply do not have the room to keep everything from itself. That's one reason I am heading to the cane. I can grow my males there. Then I can bring pollen back and hit the females here.
That way I choose what gets crossed, not the wind.

Last year I did not have enough seeds. I planted what I had, and I lost a lot of potential yield. This year I can start hundreds of seeds, and only put the best in my legal holes. The rest go to the cane. They will be my gravy.

Now some pics....

1) First batch. This is the perfect age to breed. Crack it now, and the seeds will all be mature, easy to get, and it will not screw up the rest of the plant.

2) First batch. This male is the one I let grow. It has a week or less to live.

3) Second batch. These are suppose to be femed. So I put them in real small. I wish they would hurry up and show me if it worked. If it did work we have thousands of these seeds. So it probably didn't

4) Third batch. These go under lights every night. Another two weeks and I will put them in my bottom holes.

5) Batches 4,5,and 6. Look at all the time release I dumped on them! In a month or so... out to the fields they go.