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10-15-2010, 02:20 AM #81Senior Member
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First off MedicalMama, if you are in the southern half of the state, I will help you with whatever you need. No charge, and sorry for clogging up your thread.
Yeah, and It takes even a smaller man to take someones last bit of money PatientNM.
You Have no idea what I do with my time, you assume I am not active in trying to make a change because I have not applied to become a producer, that is far from the truth. And the only reason you know I havnt applied to be a producer, is I mentioned it in a previous post.
I know when you see comments like " Caregiver and growers must work on a voluntary basis??they cannot charge or be compensated for their time or labor.....", you see your cash cow slipping away, and so you get angry, start saying things like "pie whole".
I am trying to change things on a STATE LEVEL. Sorry if that is out of your comprehension range, or effects your pocket book.
( If you don't understand state level, read the article I am enclosing at the bottom of this reply)
I will start a grow log next week when I get back from vacation to help what patients who are growing currently but having problems. Feel free to follow along.
And When the heck did I say producers should only charge 300.00$ a pound for cannabis produced indoors?, I think the producers should be reasonably compensated for their work. But as Deming said if I had to choose between two extremes, One where the Producers have all the power, and One where the Patients have all the power, I will go with the latter every single time. Both have pitfalls, but the latter is better aimed at helping the sick patients of our state.
I showed what it costs me to produce my meds, I listed my basic expenses of eletric, gas, and nutrients, nothing else. I did not include cost of rent, as I live in a 1500sq foot house and my grow room only takes up less than 50 of those sq feet, shall I figure in 1/15 of my rent as well to make my numbers more accurate?
Outdoor growers with PPL's can grow a pound of cannabis for waaay less than 300.00$, Period!
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST YOU TO GROW YOU MEDS PatientNM?
I included a spreadsheet showing my personal costs, and a published article from a world respected grower. I am also collecting info from all published cannabis authors on average prices to grow cannabis indoors, and I will be forwarding that along to the DOH.
You have Furnished NOTHING to disprove the figures I posted, Deming Posted, or Jorge Cervantes article, I also am linking another book demonstrating how very possible it is to produce a pound of cannabis indoors for less than 300.00$, (give you another respected world renowed cannabis author to try and discredit:clap
See more Buds has a great book, called BUDS FOR LESS, GROW 8 OUNCES OF CANNABIS FOR LESS THAN 100.00$
With a day by day break down, and every single cost broken down.
This book is perfect for any MJ patient who is just starting to grow for their first time, or are having problems with their plants, or start up costs.
And again I ask How much is it costing you personally to grow your own meds? lets see Your cost breakdown!
And to make things simpler for you in your attempt to discredit people.
, here is a free copy of book, and about 25 other cannabis related books to discredit as well.
ALL FOR FREE.
Growing Marijuana (download torrent) - TPB
Here is the previously mentioned article.
Ending the Medical Marijuana Gold Rush
by Stormy Ray
As a patient, I know what it is like to suffer needlessly. As a mother, I know that disabilities and sickness strike indiscriminately. As a Grandmother, I know we must protect this valuable medicine so it will be available for all of us. As a citizen, I stand up because I care.
Many Oregonians have thanked me for my involvement in passage of last year??s Senate Bill 1085, which amended and clarified Oregon??s Medical Marijuana Program. I have also been harshly criticized for helping to remove the ambiguities within our law. The most important change SB-1085 made was giving the ownership of all medical marijuana produced, and marijuana plants grown, exclusively to the OMMP patient. The Oregon Medical Marijuana Act still allows patients to grow their own medicine and assign a caregiver to help them. A patient can assign their grow site card to their own location, the location of their caregiver, and now, to a person responsible for their grow site location. Patients can reimburse their caregiver or grower for the actual cost of electricity and garden supplies used to produce their medicine. Caregiver and growers must work on a voluntary basis??they cannot charge or be compensated for their time or labor. And finally, caregivers and growers must surrender all medicine and plants to their patient upon request.
This is a good law, given what we are up against with current federal law. I believe that, for our program to have any credibility, we must separate the issue of medical marijuana from the legalization of marijuana. Over the last six years, I have stood against many attempts to take this program away from patients. This includes the 2004 ballot initiative Measure 33 that would have established dispensaries in Oregon. Giving ownership of the medicine to the caregivers and growers would have caused the same problems for us that it is causing in California, problems that threaten the survival of the program.
Although I strongly believe marijuana laws need to be revisited so that we can stop putting people in jail for something that should not be a crime, I cannot condone using sick and disabled people as pawns in this war on drugs.
It is my belief that there needs to be a way for all patients to access medical marijuana, but dispensaries like in California are not the answer. Prohibition and the black market have increased the street price of marijuana beyond what most patients can afford. As long as the price is artificially inflated by marijuana??s prohibition, medical marijuana will never be sold at a reasonable price. California dispensaries are selling marijuana for higher prices than on the black market: a price that rivals that of gold. We need to stop the gold rush!
California dispensaries are out of control, jeopardizing medical marijuana not only in California but also for the entire United States. Many who supported medical marijuana in the past now question its validity. This cannot happen in Oregon!
During the 2005 legislative session, SB-1085 had strong bi-partisan support in both houses, and had strong support from the Oregon law enforcement community. SB-1085 created bright clear lines that both law enforcement and patients could understand.
The changes in SB-1085 preclude organizations and dispensaries from selling medical marijuana. Under Oregon law, only patients and their caregivers/growers are protected by the OMMP. Organizations and businesses cannot be registered cardholders and can never possess or control medical marijuana.
Patients can freely ??give? their excess medical marijuana away to other cardholders, but it remains illegal to sell marijuana to anyone in Oregon. Caregivers cannot decide how much medical marijuana their patients will receive from a harvest or decide where the excess medication will go. Caregivers should never charge their patients for their medicine by the ounce. It??s against the law! All medicine belongs to the patient.
Medical marijuana has medicinal properties that are unlike all other medications. One patient experience I had just after measure 67 passed illustrates how badly this medicine is needed! A woman called and set an appointment for her husband who has cancer. They rescheduled their appointment because on the way over they ended up at the hospital. When I opened my hotel door, I wasn??t prepared for this man who was a ghastly grey color. I??d never seen that color on a living body. His wife helped him to the nearest seat in the room. The intensity and desperation was like a heavy fog. I handed him a small pipe. He inhaled. I witnessed color come back into his face as he gave the ??Honey I??m OK? glances to his concerned wife as his breathing improved. I witnessed the tearful relief in her eyes as she saw his glances. This man regained his quality of life and was even able to return to his Sunday school class duties.
Medical marijuana must be protected for all of us because of the relief it gives to so many. No matter who you are, a sickness or disability can happen to you or to a loved one. Medical marijuana may not be a cure, but for over 14,000 registered Oregon Medical Marijuana Program patients, it means a better quality of life.
I would like to give a special thank you to Oregon caregivers and growers who selflessly help patients grow a garden and have the medicine they need. I would also like to invite anyone that would like to help a patient with their garden to become a part of this wonderful program.
Oregon??s Medical Marijuana Act protects caregivers and growers so they can help registered patients. Caregivers and growers can possess marijuana and have a medical marijuana garden at their location.
If you would like more information about Oregon??s Medical Marijuana Program or about becoming a registered cardholder or caregiver, please contact the Stormy Ray Cardholders?? Foundation at 503-587-7434, or visit our web site at Stormy Ray Cardholders' Foundation
God Bless Oregon for this great program!
Stormy Ray has been active in the movement to legalize marijuana for the purposes of medical treatment for over a decade in Oregon. She was a Co-Chief Petitioner for Measure 67 that became the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act (OMMA) in 1998. The Stormy Ray Cardholders?? Foundation is a non-profit Oregon medical marijuana information and support organization dedicated to helping patients utilize this law. Stormy currently serves on the OMMP??s Advisory Committee on Medical Marijuana. Stormy has represented ??patients? on the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program (OMMP) Advisory Committee convened 3-23-06. She has served on the Oregon State Rehabilitation Advisory Council for two Governors, and the Federal Disabilities Determination Advisory Board for four years. As president of Malheur Butte Productions, a non-profit disabilities awareness organization, Stormy worked to help improve access, inclusion, and awareness for Oregonians with disabilities. She is currently the president of the Stormy Ray Cardholders?? Foundation (SRCF). As a non-profit, the Stormy Ray Cardholders?? Foundation is successfully helping Oregonians understand what this medicine means to patients.
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10-15-2010, 04:41 AM #82Senior Member
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peace :hippy:
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10-15-2010, 04:53 AM #83Senior Member
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I personally don't know this grower but I have been watching him for a while, and he know his stuff, if some one is looking for a way a producers in cali si doing it.
He is a strictly hydro guy, but his rooms have a total of 50-350 plants, and he says he does it all buy hims self, which is completely do able and I am sure he works hard cause his work is awesome.
One thing I have just seen lately is this guys method of cloning, it seams to be one of the best method's for cloning, but is only dooable if your plant is gonna be somewhat big, since even his clones are about 6" to about 8 " tall and allot of NM growers like to flower at about 8" high. But for a big plant wow is this a new method and he has done 10s of thousands he says, and his clone room is massive and no lose so it is totally believable.
for a producer looking for a model to get to in the future (keep in mind to start a room he is working with is allot of money), that is high yielding, quick, officiant, and allot easier then hauling dirt, this guy is one to ask some questions.
one last thing I think he hangs out here in the cann.com forum, in the grow section, but I am not sure, I know I saw one of weezards posts in his videos, but the guy know his shit, and recently he broke down the Advanced nutrients and botanicare in avid and I totally agree, some of the advanced stuff has like 5 products that do the same thing it is confusing, and the high end stuff is insane as far as price but I have no idea of how good it is. But the vid cleared up allot on some things especial the bud candy and sweet additives, and I used to recommend the botanicares sweet but now I'm gonna have to tell some people to try the bud candy cause apparently it initial cost is more, but you use less so it is cheaper. any way Lotta stuff like this is interesting in his vids, his hydro grows are pretty strait forward, no CO2 in their I think hes in downtown LA so I am sure CO2 is a no no. but any way his humor is funny at times at times not but hes definitely got it going on.
check it out
YouTube - sublbc's Channel
oh and yeah this thread blew up; great thread, srry to hear about your plants, could you write down a plan that you followed, not just for us to see if we can help you but also to check record kind of for your self more for the future but while its still kind of fresh, did you put water into a old tea jug, or did you uses water jugs from wall mart, do you uses clorox in your sink, did you wash any jugs in the sink, things like this. no hurry I your seeds are doing good, their is a paper towel method and jiffy pellets and my fav is either rock-wool or rapid-rooters. Are you using filtered water, usually for seeds and clones I will used a good distilled water, aquafina or distilled from wall mart is usually good, important is pick water with no minerals adds for taste
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10-15-2010, 06:27 AM #84Senior Member
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First the election,second the high priced meds,third the drought periods of no meds,and fourth(but more than likely not the last)the patients fighting with each other.Those are the four things that I have to wrap my head around before I can even plan to relocate to New Mexico I was told at the onset of my journey,that the more the merrier now I don't know.
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10-15-2010, 01:11 PM #85Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Washedout
The Fignting as you call is not really fighting it is people trying to express there opinion on how to do the right thing.Alls of us do want this program to work but have different ways of thinking And how it should be done have a good day.
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10-15-2010, 04:59 PM #86OPSenior Member
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Originally Posted by MimbresValley
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10-15-2010, 06:10 PM #87Junior Member
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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit
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10-15-2010, 06:17 PM #88Senior Member
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Annually?
Can you be a little bit more specific.
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10-15-2010, 06:44 PM #89Senior Member
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How many lights do you run, what type of lights? How much do you harvest.
what type of setup, what type of nutrients, what strains, how much electric,
You want MV to show you everything, but you cant supply even the Vaguest details to my question.:wtf:
I was very specific with my numbers, So was MV, and that article of Jorge Cervantes is pretty thorough as well.
You say, you spend 1,200.00 annually, with NO specifics, and you are complaining cause others aren't giving enough specifics, bro you seem like a real toolbox, maybe you should shut ur piehole, instead of tellings others too.:thumbsup:
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10-15-2010, 06:52 PM #90Senior Member
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Wow MV you really hit the nail on the head. ...
Originally Posted by MimbresValley
Yeah if you get together 25 published cannabis giving a average of them all of how much it costs to produce indoors, I don't think the DOH, or the senate could argue with those numbers, and looking at the gold rush in cali, Im sure the leaders of NM, do not want that model.
I mean people can say your wrong, but sheer number of respected authors should sway them, thats really good thinking bro.
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