100% Confused right now

[DemingNonProfit]

You just have to look to California or Colorado to see how incredibly flawed your logic is, prices in California have stayed the same at the compassion clubs since 215 was first passed many many years ago. even though wholesale prices from growers have fallen tremendously.

You personally said the producers are not setting the price, they are using the current market price, the current market price IS INFLATED DUE TO CANNABIS PROHIBITION, and its being a Black Market Item.

And you say the current market price is sad, so are you agreeing it should be lowered, and the prices currently being charged are ridiculous?



You can have hundreds upon hundreds of producers like California or a handful like here, regardless prices will not come down when people are getting rich.

Also your reselling logic is full of holes, what is preventing me from reselling the cannabis I produce with my PPL, when its only costing me 300.00$ a pound to produce? What is perventing Deserthealer from selling her medicine, since she only used soil and nutrients, she could turn a huge profit.

I do not think the DOH should let people suffer just incase one person might resale it, I totally disagree, why would the DOH let people have PPls, if they were so worried about patients reselling. That makes absolutely no sense.

Stormy Ray has had an "Allan Greenspan" type effect on the cannabis market it oregon, is that why you keep telling Mimbres Valley to become a producer and not an activist, cause you are worried he will kill your cash cow?

Google Stormy Ray, I also do not agree with her policies totally, but MV is totally right about one person being able to make a huge change.


BuddingHope I have read your posts you seem like you really are interested in helping the patients of NM, maybe you are not trying to cash in on the folks of NM.
Why you are so against lowering prices for sick patients, I have no idea!

But to sit here and tell people that prices will come down once there are more producers is just rubbish. Especially when the producers are all in a "guild" with the same people serving on multiple boards.
That is not a free market, that is a monopoly.

[DemingNonProfit]

Im going to say this again,

What is preventing me from reselling the cannabis I produce with my PPL, when its only costing me 300.00$ a pound to produce? What is perventing Deserthealer from selling her medicine, since she only used soil and nutrients, she could turn a huge profit.

I do not think the DOH should let people suffer just incase one person might resale it, I totally disagree, why would the DOH let people have PPls, if they were so worried about patients reselling. That makes absolutely no sense.

[BuddingHopeNM]

I don't have time to argue economics. I never said I was against lowering prices. Plant limit for patients is "adequate supply", not abundant supply. How can you have a monopoly when you have a 95 plant limit?? There are growers out there with 4-10 times the amount of plants producers have. Hope your application goes well. Budding Hope is here to help patients in any capacity. Shoot me an email. That is all. :thumbsup:

[DemingNonProfit]

You bring up economics, and when I lay your misguided ideas to rest of more producers equaling lower prices, you no longer have time to talk about it, ok:thumbsup:


You said" Lets say all producers were to sell at 5.00 per gram. Patients would end up reselling it at 3x the cost....simply because there is not enough supply and too much demand. If we were to do that, DEA would be all over us. And that is the truth."

Bro that is a lie, and its MAKES NO SENSE!

Would you care to touch on what is preventing me from reselling the cannabis I produce with my PPL, when its only costing me 300.00$ a pound to produce? What is perventing Deserthealer from selling her medicine, since she only used soil and nutrients, she could turn a huge profit.

I do not think the DOH want to keep the prices sky high just incase one person might resale it, I totally disagree, why would the DOH let people have PPls, if they were so worried about patients reselling. That makes absolutely no sense.
NO SENSE!



MV also said"
So lets say it costs 3,000.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis after all the expenses are taken into consideration, rental space, gas, security, payroll, that a producer might run into.
All the things that I do not have to deal with as a personal producer.

If they harvest 50 pounds off their 95 plants ever 4 months, the company would still be making 141,120.00$ every 4 months, charging 13.00$ a gram.

That is still a profit of 141,120.00$ every 4 months, that is 423,600.00$ dollars a year profit.
That should more than cover all start up costs associated with getting the company up and running.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
talk about hitting the nail on the head!

[medical420mama]

Prices need to drop yes
we all need to ban together yes
who fucking cares if the producers have a guild let them come together and work as a team rather then trying to compete. I personally feel that makes for a much friendlier environment.
We all are different, we eat, shower,dress, talk ,learn,sleep,grow, etc differently so sure one guy can grow a pound for $300 awesome bravo for you dude. We got the point. All i have to say is WTF are we fighting about there are real people (paitients) out there and i am one that have ZERO medication and Plants that are no where near ready to flower and we cant afford to buy 3 gm worth of medication. Right now i am shit out of luck i have enough medication to last till saturday (maybe) and every single one of my plants died. I have no friggin clue what happen. I am going to pop some mystery seeds and pray that they take. The point i am trying to make is that instead of us fighting over who has the best growing method how about we all paitients, producers, and advocates need to come together and figure out a solution. Stop the fighting act like grown ups and come up with a solution not another problem. Im done thats my 2 cents.

Besides this post was not intended to be a fight what i originally posted has nothing to do with what we are all fighting about. I never even did get my question answered which is ok becasue i figured it out on my own.

[PatientNM]

I already have all the paperwork, have copies of two Approved producers applications, I just haven't decided if I want to throw my hat in the ring.


I get the feeling buddinghope you think the only way to make a change is to become a producer myself, I got to tell you, thats simply not the case. I am not trying to make money from sick folks, help them yes, take there last dollar, no.


It only takes one person to make a big change, don't ever forget that.

If I can help/force the producers to lower their prices even by half, then I will have helped more people in NM than if I started a production facility, the town I live in only has 8 patients who do not have PPL,(accordig to the DOH release earlier this year).

It takes a small person to bitch and complain and a bigger person to actually DO something. Mimsy, until you man up and at the very least apply for a license you are just flapping your pie whole and wasting time. The chip you have on shoulder with the producers is obvious. What you are doing better then any of the producers has yet to be seen. Please, do show us Mimsy, show all of us. Don't just show us little spread sheets, pictures of other folks grows, long quotes from other people's websites or scans from books.... No Mimsy, lets see some REAL proof you actually know what you are talking about.

MAN-UP AND BRING THE $300 A POUND
MEDICAL GRADE CANNABIS TO THIS MARKET!!!

IF YOU CANNOT OR WILL NOT THEN
I GUESS WE WILL HAVE OUR ANSWER AFTER ALL!
:thumbsup:
WHAT WILL IT BE MIMSY???

[DemingNonProfit]

I do not know what MV is doing, But I personally am going the Stormy Ray way, Have been in contact with her, she is going to help get the ball rolling down here in NM.:thumbsup:
And what producer do you work for PatientNM?

[DemingNonProfit]

Also PatientNM
If you look I was the first one to put up the numbers for the 300.00$ pound.
I was not saying that is how much the producers should charge, Just how much it costs me to grow personally, just taking electricity and nutrients into consideration.
When someone asked deserthearler how much she spent for her grow, she said a bag of soil.

As a fellow patient how how much would you estimate it cost you to grow your own meds? I would really like to hear your numbers???????????????????

I never said the producers should be offereing 300.00$lbs
I don't think MV did either, though I could be wrong, have not really been following along lately.

[DemingNonProfit]

" Caregiver and growers must work on a voluntary basisâ??they cannot charge or be compensated for their time or labor. And finally, caregivers and growers must surrender all medicine and plants to their patient upon request."

That is the Stormy Ray way, its either one of two extremes have the producers with all the say, or the patients with all the say.

I would rather be somewhere in the middle, but I doubt that will happen, so yeah, I would support Stormy Rays model, the whole point of this program is the patients of NM, not the producers.

[medical420mama]

[B]
the whole point of this program is the patients of NM, not the producers.

I agree this program was not setup for the producers it was setup for us. So i think all of you that think you can do things better and more cost effective then by all means do it. I chose to grow for myself becasue i cant afford to purchase. So maybe instead of us fighting about lowering prices why dont we start educating the paitients that cant grow becasue they dont know how or helping them find someone to grow for them. They only way there will be a constiant supply is if we stop purchasing. Even if 3/4 of us grew that is 3/4 of the producers medication that is not purchased. Now you figure if they went from selling the product in a matter of weeks to not selling all of it and having alot left over, and then you realize bills are coming in and since the money you brought in wasnt the same as last month they are gonna discount medication so the can bring in the money needed to pay the bills. That is all IMO and dont want to start a fight i just want to help us paitients. I dont have the money or the expierence to become a producer or i would so the only way i can help is by giving my advice.

Lets grow our own and help educate the others.