100% Confused right now

[MimbresValley]

This thread is just amazing.

Most people have no idea how much cannabis production should cost, and everyone wants to put in their own .2$
LOL



Have any of you guys ever heard of jorge cervantes???( the worlds most well known grower!!)

I scanned page 157,158 of his book "indoor marijuana horticulture, the cannabis grow bible"
ON PAGE 157-160
George Cervantes shows how it only costs 300.00$ to grow a pound of cannabis indoors,
If you don't believe me, go down to your local book store, and take a look at his book.


Maybe it costs MadSativa 1,000.00$ to grow a pound, it might even cost someone who has no idea what they are doing 2,000.00$ to produce a pound.
but for people who know what they are doing, it should not cost more than 300.00$ to produce a pound of top notch cannabis!

[MimbresValley]

Here are the pages directly from Jorge Cervantes book,

Seems people want to argue with me about how much it costs to produce cannabis. If you still want to disagree with me, you have to disagree with the worlds most well known & respected grower.

Apparently Jorge Cervantes is in "makebelive land" like myself, or maybe it is you who is in "makebelive" land MadSativa.
I mean I have the worlds best grower, supporting my statement and numbers, that it only costs 300.00$ to produce a pound.

What do you have to support you vastly inflated numbers>?

I didn't want to embarrass you like this Mads, but if you are going suggest that I am in make believe land, or I somehow am smudging the numbers, then I will prove you 100% wrong.

Peace:thumbsup:




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[MadSativa]

dude Jorge Cervantes has even said he is in a make-believe land of sorts hence the name he gave him self Jorge Cervantes. the guy has short white hair his whole Jorge Cervantes thing is a character he made to not get prosecuted in Spain. yes what says is valid but he is not the worlds most known grower that is just what high times says. and high times for the past 10 years is kind of lame, they pick strains that suck in there top 10, they leave out props where they are due, hell they give credit to the wrong people sometimes when it comes to medical. some new growers you might want to look at are arjian and Franco at green house, Soma over at Soma seeds, the THSeeds crew are still in the game even after starting it back in the g13 , bubblegum days. but one to really look at is urban grower and brown dirt warrior these 2 guys are the most know growers in the world right now, since brndirts movie cam out and now part 2 is out. great movie buy the way I haven't seen part 2 but I am a big fan.

I know you have to have seen the show, "only show that will show you how to grow 2 pounds per light" if not look at urban grower.com remo is a entertaining guy and they know there shit, in all the medical rooms they show none of them say yeah I grow a pound for $300 and they live in Canada where everything is cheaper.

Small thought a co2 system is cheep to run but to buy one is in the 1,000s same with a hydro system

and trust me main you don't have the power to embarrass me this is the Internets not the forum of god.

[MadSativa]

Yes I do, and for a 60 plant setup that would be about 1800 gallons of nutrients solution,
I actually figure out how much everything costs, some folks will just throw out numbers, with no explanation of how they got there, a perfect example is madsativa(no offence bro). in all my numbers I take into consideration, electricity(for everything used for the grow), and nutrients.

Madsativa says its 2000,00$ for AN nutrients for a season, but he doesn't say how many plants, how they are grown, how much the final harvest is, etc.

I don't have too everyone here knows how to estimate and do math we all pay the bill at the end of the month, you give yourself allot of credit for doing things that are done for you, producers are allowed 100 plants total, individual patients are allowed 4 plants flower, is that the info your looking for this is what your mad about the fact that you should know this. in all my numbers , numbers, numbers, you say this in every post like no one can do arithmetic, don't mean nuthing. when you grow big big prices are what comes out of it, and having bud at wall mart is far off caseu with prices like your talking that is where they would have to put herb cause its the only building that can hold the amount their going to need for everyone wanting their $300 pounds. one simple look at Cali will let you know the future of medical here, one look and we can avoid allot of the problems and get allot of the answers. and that is my 2 cents

[BuddingHopeNM]

Last post for me on this one -

Please pay for my
Welder
Gates
RO Units
Pumps (lots of em)
Hydro Units (lots of em)
15k+ watts of lights
Greenhouses (several of them)
Propane
Propane heaters
Weed blocker
Dog food (for 10, not just one)
Building materials - plywood/2x4s/2x6s
Fasteners
Mig - wire
Argon
Fuel for vehicles
Fuel to pull big trailers
1000s of cinder blocks (understand that you can't carry all at once either - several trips)
re-bar
concrete (lots of it)
security cameras
Metal doors
motion detectors
emergency dialers
alarms
fuel for backhoe
fuel for tractor
concrete forms
timers/controllers
pots
soil
soilless media
tele svc
DSL
power bill
water bill
vehicles for delivery
fuel for delivery vehicles (nm is rural)
registration
insurance
health insurance
labor
misc metal supplies
chop saws
grinder
serious wiring - serious wiring
webspace
computers/laptops
domain
.44 per postage stamp (multiply away)
paper
pens
phones
Grow logs
accountant(s)
legal representation



and everything up above, i want the best of the best because I am growing medical for the great patients of the great state of NM. What is odd is that I get hundreds of emails from patients and they are all sooooo nice. Not once have I gotten a bad or nasty email. Its just so odd that such negative things are said on here about producers. MV, you should get a producers license. If you don't, you are just wasting everyones time.

did i forget 35% federal tax? (noone EVER mentions this)
7% to DOH (which i will never whine about)
Lets not forget the assistance program and possible donation to the neediest patients (which will be maximized)

Thats not even all either. I'm sure theres a bunch I can't think of. Alot of the expenses up there don't really even pertain to growing. As a person who has experience, PLEASE understand and take it from me...growing for yourself or "on the side" or hobby or whatever you want to call it ------ totally different from producing for hundreds of sick patients where quality is of the utmost importance. If you think its the same thing - wrong.

And if you can't mix cement or weld like a champ - don't forget good ole labor. I don't know how others are doing it up, but at Budding Hope, we are doing the best we can - and I am inclined to believe that we are doing pretty good and doing this RIGHT. And patients, please understand that the MAJORITY of active producers currently licensed aren't even 6 months old. Registration for BH will begin middle of this month.

It took BH and most of the producers over a year to be licensed. The rest took even longer. Growing is only about 50% of the picture. The rest you can't even imagine until you are in the situation. Alot we haven't even encountered yet either.

[MimbresValley]

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[MimbresValley]

Last post for me on this one -

Please pay for my
Welder
Gates
RO Units
Pumps (lots of em)
Hydro Units (lots of em)
15k+ watts of lights
Greenhouses (several of them)
Propane
Propane heaters
Weed blocker
Dog food (for 10, not just one)
Building materials - plywood/2x4s/2x6s
Fasteners
Mig - wire
Argon
Fuel for vehicles
Fuel to pull big trailers
1000s of cinder blocks (understand that you can't carry all at once either - several trips)
re-bar
concrete (lots of it)
security cameras
Metal doors
motion detectors
emergency dialers
alarms
fuel for backhoe
fuel for tractor
concrete forms
timers/controllers
pots
soil
soilless media
tele svc
DSL
power bill
water bill
vehicles for delivery
fuel for delivery vehicles (nm is rural)
registration
insurance
health insurance
labor
misc metal supplies
chop saws
grinder
serious wiring - serious wiring
webspace
computers/laptops
domain
.44 per postage stamp (multiply away)
paper
pens
phones
Grow logs
accountant(s)
legal representation



and everything up above, i want the best of the best because I am growing medical for the great patients of the great state of NM. What is odd is that I get hundreds of emails from patients and they are all sooooo nice. Not once have I gotten a bad or nasty email. Its just so odd that such negative things are said on here about producers. MV, you should get a producers license. If you don't, you are just wasting everyones time.

did i forget 35% federal tax? (noone EVER mentions this)
7% to DOH (which i will never whine about)
Lets not forget the assistance program and possible donation to the neediest patients (which will be maximized)

Thats not even all either. I'm sure theres a bunch I can't think of. Alot of the expenses up there don't really even pertain to growing. As a person who has experience, PLEASE understand and take it from me...growing for yourself or "on the side" or hobby or whatever you want to call it ------ totally different from producing for hundreds of sick patients where quality is of the utmost importance. If you think its the same thing - wrong.

And if you can't mix cement or weld like a champ - don't forget good ole labor. I don't know how others are doing it up, but at Budding Hope, we are doing the best we can - and I am inclined to believe that we are doing pretty good and doing this RIGHT. And patients, please understand that the MAJORITY of active producers currently licensed aren't even 6 months old. Registration for BH will begin middle of this month.

It took BH and most of the producers over a year to be licensed. The rest took even longer. Growing is only about 50% of the picture. The rest you can't even imagine until you are in the situation. Alot we haven't even encountered yet either.

Would you mind helping me out with some prices next to the long list you gave out?

So where did you get your experience growing for hundreds of patients, if you dont mind me asking?

I didnt realize the producers were building places from scratch, concrete, cinder blocks, welders, etc...
I figured they would just rent a warehouse, or a suitable building, glad to know you guys want the best of the best.

Looking at that extensive list, you have soil, soiless mix, RO units, hydroponic systems, so how many type of systems are you guys running?

And you also have 15000watts of light, and greenhouses. that sounds like quite the setup. whats the backhoes for? Do you have an outdoor setup as well?

[BuddingHopeNM]

We have alot going on

Lets just say one thing leads to another.

I didn't say we had experience growing medical for hundreds of patients. We have experience in large non cannabis greenhouse operations - though my personal grow experience is with cannabis. I was just saying the producing/growing/distribution situation is completely different from a smaller scale operation that most medical growers are used to. Its not impossible - Its not 'difficult' - but it is a much different animal than just a few lights x cost of power. Of course different producers have different plans. Can't and won't speak on their part. I can only speak about Budding Hope. I am only here to help.

[coolslayer]

just something I have noticed the state and the government is trying to segregate us from the rest of the populous and even each other (cardholders). it is easier to conquer when you foe is divided. simple to evade this is to not divide in fact these times are times for card holders to get together better, this is happening in Cali right now, and they are making an effort to put out their own propaganda effort and have even gotten a place on the ballot to legalize for recreational use not just medical.

the nation is now closer to 50% medical and there is still the question of is it medicine, that is the crime right their when the truth stares you in the face and you denied the truth. that is what a little over 50% of the nation is doing now, but even 10 years ago they had a way bigger lead and now were close to 50-50 soon the truth will pull more toward the light but not if we all wait for them to come to the light

Enjoying your recent posts greatly.......please contact me through email,my contact info is in my profile here.

[MimbresValley]

My friends .2$ on the subject.

""NM patients........if you want to see what being a complacent patient will get you, look to your north @ our program(Colorado). There are reportedly 750 patients in my county alone yet I and a select few others are the only ones who willstand up in Public (it's on community TV here!) and speak out.

I personally think many patients down yer way have been hoodwinked into thinking the "producert' model is set up FOR THEM and not for PROFIT for those running such ops.

We would ALL love to see more reasonably priced meds...but in reality ANYTIME you buy goods from a BUSINESS you are paying for the product AND whatever it takes to offer the product....which in this case and in the case of the "Centers" here who RETAIL MMJ from storefronts includes the cost of growing the product, wages, rents, and all other costs that are simple PASSED ON to the patient.

Growing your own IS and WILL ALWAYS BE the answer."":thumbsup: