New...And May Need Help

[polishpollack]

I'd sell those ferts to somebody else and just get some Dynagrow 7-9-5. It has all the micronutes plants need and you only need 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of water for a soil grow. It could be that these plants are goners if they're that bad. I've researched molasses and couldn't find anything that says plants take the stuff up. Plants make their own sugars with the nutes they take up. I can't find proof that roots take up sugars. I suspect this is another snake oil idea. Buy distilled water at the store and you won't have to worry about chlorine or pH. In fact, in soil you probably don't have to worry about pH much at all until it looks like the plants have stopped growing for a few days. Then check it. Another good method is to get some Foxfarm Fruit and Flower powder fert and put in about one half cup of fert per gallon of soil. Then you just water it when dry. By the way, organic means comprised heavily of carbon. It's not b.s.

[polishpollack]

scruggs, any changes to report? I'm curious what you did.

[Scruggs]

I flushed the heck out of the soils the day (Sat 25th) after the recommendations. And in case some nutrients may not have been dissolved and flushed that day, I also flushed the next day.

I did not re-pot all of them, just one, but it was a pita. The soil was too darn wet and I swear the plant almost ripped itself from it's roots when turning upside down to remove...I needed another set of hands. Therefore, only that one got some new soil in the pot.

I've been sticking my fingers in the soils ever day or two and there is still enough moisture from the flushing that I have yet to water them. Its been ~1.5 weeks and I hope they use up whatever nutrients didn't get flushed, not only from the soil but also whatever got stored within the plants themselves.

So far all the flowers are much taller, fuller, powdery, and aromatic than prior efforts. They look and smell incredible, however, this I've seen before only to be disappointed at the end. I'd love to show pics, I think you'd be impressed with the tops, that is, considering the circumstances.

They are in the 8th week of flowering, and I have yet to see any ambering. The previous efforts have all gone 11-13 weeks, but that may be due to the over-fertilization. Since I'm still not sure how long this variety takes to mature when "properly" fed, I've been wondering if it'll starve and hurt them by only providing moisture within this seemingly loooong timeframe.

I do plan to try that Dynagrow you suggested and will purchase it when I take back the 2 items I can return. However, since I have all this crap that I cannot return, I'm going to attempt to use it up by diluting greatly and feeding less often. Also I'm curious to see how the HN concoction compares to the Dynagrow's end results.

Thanks for asking!
Scruggs

And sorry to end on an unfortunate note, but I must say it's been over 3 weeks since I've partaken. Not just because the quality has sucked, but my chest now feels torn up from it.

[kwaaluudekid]

Base Nutrients
Botanical Pro Grow (3-2-4) veg and flowering
HN Bloom Natural (0-10-0) flowering

Additives
HN Equilibrium (Ca/Mg supplement) flowering (if already open, may as well use it)
One of the two humic acid products. Either is fine, but should be used once or twice a month, maximum. At least till you get used to using it. I use it after flushes, once a month.

Carboydrates
HN Honey ES (sugars) flowering

Bloom/Flower Enhancers
AN Big Bud Powder
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I use the fox farm feeding schedule, even before I used FF nutes. may be able to tailor it to use those nutes. just a simple suggestion

[Scruggs]

So much for returning the items. I live 40+ minutes from the place and finally was in the area, so I stopped in today. Turns out they have a 14-day return policy, after that timeframe there is NO return. I bought the returnable items exactly 1 month ago to this day. And, there are no returns of liquids and powders AT ALL. Ugh! I was looking forward to getting the Dynagrow but was so disappointed with the return policy I walked out without giving them the business.

On a progress note, the new growth after the flushing is less powdery and aromatic compared to the old growth, but it's green and healthy looking. The curling fan leaves have recovered but are now turning yellow. I'm not concerned anymore though as I think the flushing did the trick...but we'll see in another few weeks </fingers crossed>.

[polishpollack]

Bummer on the return deal. There's always Craigslist or Ebay. If there're turning yellow, you probably should give them a dose of the pro grow, but that's all for now.

[Scruggs]

Well, it's been 16-15 days since the first-second flush and I harvested tonight (64 days flowering) after noting the trichomes starting to turn milky with few already amber. I'm amazed at the length, girth, and aroma of the tops, which makes me think the HN feeding plan might not be so bad after all (regardless, I'm still going to follow through with a lighter feeding plan). The fan leaves were starting to turn yellow which I believe is because the plants were using up their own stored nutrients because of the flushed soil. And I definitely believe at the time I posted this thread that the plants were over fed, also that the flushing eliminated the excess nutes.

I still have yet to sample, so I'm not sure if this crop will have poor results as the previous ones. But based the overall impressive healthy appearance and the pungent aroma, I can only believe it's a vast improvement....and I'll know by the end of the week.

Thanks for the help guys! I'll make sure to post with results after drying and curing.

[Scruggs]

Well, it's been quite some time since I had the above issue and I thought I'd give an update...

Iâ??m still using the same setup as stated in my first post, using only Pro-Mix BX with no additions as the growing medium, and just changed the nutrient program.

The last grow (after the one I wrote about above, which turned out OK) I changed the feeding nutrients as per recommendations, via dilution to ¼ strength. I couldnâ??t return any of the unopened nutrients, and since most containers had been open anyways I figured I'd keep and still use them. Therefore, to dilute, I'd mix up 1 gallon of full strength then divide it into 4 gallons.

Because there wasnâ??t as much Pro-Grow base nutrient, the water leaves turned premature yellow as the plants grew larger. I believe it was because they got too little nitrogen. The tops still looked good, the aroma was better than before, and the final product was much more palatable.

For the current grow, to help the water leaves stay healthy, Iâ??m making sure the base nutrient is at full strength. Therefore for 4 gallons, Iâ??ll start with 1 gallon of water and add 4x of Pro-Grow, then add in the remaining adjuncts as per the recommended 1 gallon strength on their labels. Then I'll split that 1 gallon into 4 gallonsâ?¦making sure the base nutrients are at full strength, and the rest at 1/4 diluted concentration.

I've been watching the trichomes and they don't start turning milky until >10-11 weeks. I've noticed this on all grows. Therefore I've been flowering for 12-13 weeks, but still have yet to see very many amber trichs. I must be doing something right though, because this stuff "takes me to the next level"...I mean it.

The last grow I tried the Scrog method, and WOW it worked very well in my low-headroom space. I will soon try only 2 plants and veg longer since Iâ??m only doing this for myself.

Now I simply need to get the curing process worked out. I found out this winter that the dry air sure can speed up the drying process, thereby virtually eliminating any chance of curing.

I know it can probably be better, but Iâ??m now at least happy and satisfied. :thumbsup:

Scruggs