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09-23-2010, 03:51 AM #11Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
Originally Posted by G13budsmoker
AMEN BROTHER!!!!! you know, id hate to put the blame on 1 person, but it can all be traced back to one a**hole, Henry J. Anslinger.. here is some propaganda the cannabis hate monger would spew: An entire family was murdered by a youthful addict in Florida. When officers arrived at the home, they found the youth staggering about in a human slaughterhouse. With an axe he had killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister. He seemed to be in a dazeā?¦ He had no recollection of having committed the multiple crime. The officers knew him ordinarily as a sane, rather quiet young man; now he was pitifully crazed. They sought the reason. The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called ā??muggles,ā? a childish name for marijuana.
It makes me sick to think that someone would say horrible things about a plant without understanding anything about it.. But what it really comes down to??? PREJUDICE!!!! Americans back than didn't like Mexicans, and they said the Mexicans are the ones who brought the pot over.. All of our problems in this country really boil down to 2 things, prejudice and greed.. Alot of us are greedy racist jerks, and i don't see that changing anytime soon... Maybe if everyone smoked a bowl of some good old high quality cannabis we could all get along... anyways, sorry for going on and on, but im high!
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09-23-2010, 05:38 AM #12justpics
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
Originally Posted by jamessr
It looked like to me that the appellate court was saying that the decision of whether or not these defendants could raise an affirmative defense should have been determined in a trial and not in this motion.
In that context it sounds to me like the real meat and potatoes of this case are yet to come.
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09-23-2010, 01:26 PM
#13

Senior Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
So you're saying Eisenbud wasn't licensed to practice medicine in Michigan?Originally Posted by jamessr
That appears to be the only argument the prosecution could bring before the court. The 2 didn't have there registration cards evidently when they started growing but it appears they met the intent of the law medically.
09-23-2010, 06:32 PM
#14

Junior Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
I am sorry sir, but your accusations are completely false regarding The Hemp and Cannabis Foundation. The medical evaluations our doctors conduct and authorizations our doctors sign are 100% completely valid and are in full compliance of every states medical marijuana law they operate in. If you read close enough to the judge's comments you would have noticed that he acknowledged the legitimacy of Dr. Eisenbuds authority to issure a medical marijuana recommendation and comended Dr. Eisenbuds evaluation stating:
"The district court also noted that although Dr. Eisenbud testified regarding defendants' legitimate need to use marijuana for medical purposes, there was no testimony regarding what was a reasonably necessary amount for defendants to possess. The district court concluded that it would simply apply the amount of two and one-half ounces and 12 plants set by § 4 as what was reasonably necessary, [*11] and it granted defendants' motion to dismiss, explaining:
"For that reason, I believe that section 8 entitles the defendants to a dismissal, even though they did not possess the valid medical card, because section 8 says if they can show the fact that a doctor believed that they were likely to receive a therapeutic benefit, and this doctor testified to that [sic]. And Dr. Eisenbud is a physician licensed by the State of Michigan. And that's the only requirement that the statute has. You don't have to be any type of physician, you just have to be a licensed physician by the State of Michigan.
So, based on that, I find section 8 does apply. And I believe I'm obligated to dismiss this matter based on section 8 of the statute.
Regarding the prosecution's request for a clarification about whether "the doctor's testimony rose to the level of a bona fide physician-patient relationship," the district court stated:
Based on his testimony, he indicated that he -- he read their medical records, he saw them, and I think his total time was about half an hour totally spent with them, which, based on my own personal experience, I don't find inconsistent with my own doctor. So I guess it's a bona fide [*12] relationship."
The judge clearly confirms that Dr. Eisenbud was licensed in Michigan at the time of their appointment and was within the scope of his authority to recommend medical marijuana for these patietns, while establishing that his medical evaluation did meet the criteria of a "bona fide physician-patient realtionship."
As Killerweed mentioned before, the prosecuting argument was weather or not the patients were legal or not because they did not physically posses the state issued license, which is a problem in every state that has a medical marijuana registry AND an affirmative defense argument set up in their MMJ law. Remember, this is not the ruling majority opinion, and the case is still in litigation.
Similar issues are happening here in Colorado where it is taking the state registry 7-8 months to issue licenses, eventhough in the law it states that the patient has to be notified within 35 days otherwise they are to be considered legal.
THCF's protocal has been investigated and approved by state regulatory authorities in 9 states. We follow a protocol developed by the Oregon Health Department and it has been investigated and found valid and meeting current acceptable standards of medical practice in in Washington, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, and Montana.
Furthermore, THCF stands behind and defends its patients no matter what the problem or charge may be. We are the only organization to defend patients in a DEA investigation from a grand jury subpoena. The federal court judge wrote at the end of his decision, " ... (THCF) Clinic's records represent the implementation of the State's program and are integral to the success of the program."
The Hemp and Cannabis Foundation has been helping patients obtain a medical marijuana permit nationwide since 1999, helping over 100,000 patients. Now don't you think that an organization that has been around that long and has helped so many people obtain a medical marijuana permit would be under close federal scrutiny, and if there had been any questions or investigations regarding the legitimacy of their practices, THCF would have been shut down long ago? Fact of the matter is that our organization is always up to standard and in complience with current medical marijuana laws for each and every state we operate in.
09-23-2010, 08:39 PM
#15

Senior Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
100K patients @ average $180 a pop is $18 million over 11 years. You better bet your last dollar you better back up every patient you ever signed for regardless of whether a yearly fee was paid to THCF or not, if the signed authorization was for a chronic condition if there is nothing in an individual state's law that requires a yearly renewal. We all know some people have doctor's that won't for their chronic patients, so the patients need to use organizations like THCF among others. It should be patients and patients rights and protection before profits. :twocents:
09-23-2010, 10:43 PM
#16

Senior Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
I agree with wreckinger's take on this. Everything the defendants did met the intent of the law and the presiding judge made the right decision. But this is the problem with the system, if the prosecutor doesn't like the judges decision he just shops around and finds a new judge more amenable to his viewpoint. The prosecutor also has the legal ability to have a judge removed from a case with absolutely no evidence that the judge was being biased in any way.
Its a corrupt system but its the only one we have. Get on these juries and help the people being persecuted.
Yeah gypski, I don't like the money issue any more than you do but thats capitalism for you. Its the price we pay for living in a semi free society.
09-24-2010, 12:46 AM
#17

OP
Senior Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
If this is scott the manager of the Colorado thcf, you know what I say is true...if you are not then, you have no clue as to what your talking about....your a newbe..Originally Posted by wreckinger
The reason this got appealed is because THCF doctors are not diagnosing patients nor can they, have you read your own website for god sakes?? how about the THCF business plan? how about the articles of incorp.??
There is more to come, not only from this state but, all of them about THCF exploiting patients...slowly but surely...and no court case has been on direct point about THCF, YET!!...newbe!!
i have yet to post the concurring judges opinion, this opinion explains it in broken down details much better.
09-24-2010, 02:11 AM
#18

Senior Member
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
The THCF doctors met all the requirements to authorize MMJ to patients. You don't have to see a patient for an hour every week to have a relationship with the doctor. As I have said I only see my doctor once a year to get my prescriptions for my scheduled drugs. Thats all I'm willing to do. I don't have medical insurance, I pay everything in cash so I have her write me a years worth of prescriptions. Once a year I go in for a blood workup to see how my liver and kidney function is doing, she sees me for about 10 minutes and signs my prescription.
So the appellate judge is just being unreasonable about what constitutes a doctor patient relationship.
09-24-2010, 09:37 AM
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justpics
Court rules THCF clinic is a fraud
I didn't see the appellate judge make any decision or judgement about the doctor patient relationship, except to say that it should be examined in trial.