Quality has really taken a plunge!

[copobo]

...Iâ??ve yet to met a grower who wants to hear he fâ??d up. Iâ??ve seen PM, mite infestations, hermed crops, mosaic virus, pythium, mold like Iâ??ve never seen before. Itâ??s everyone from the best MMCâ??s to the home grows.

why would home grow quality be effected AT ALL by 1284?

I got smaller and my quality went way up.

of course you'll never see my herb at a dispensary now w/1284, and you'll never see most good home growers shit there either. Please don't toss us in with the warehouse learning curve! we got to skip that shit LOL

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

why would home grow quality be effected AT ALL by 1284?

I got smaller and my quality went way up.

of course you'll never see my herb at a dispensary now w/1284, and you'll never see most good home growers shit there either. Please don't toss us in with the warehouse learning curve! we got to skip that shit LOL

Lots of home growers thought they would be able to sell their overages to the then "Dispensaries" (now MMCs). 1284 blocks that. When I was hocking my wares to the dispensaries, I saw some of the crap people were bringing in. Amazing to think those growers might actually be using the crap they were trying to sell.

Home grown doesn't always mean it's good, though the best stuff I've ever had has been home-grown. Of course that grower had some very interesting theories, such as playing sitar music several times a day for about an hour each time for his plants. Claims they love it, but it can't be on constantly. He was actually able to point me in the direction to research that backs his claim. He had a couple others "tips & tricks", though didn't have research studies or documented journal data to back his claims. Told him he needs to start keeping painstakingly detailed journals - it's the only way to know for sure what changes one makes is really for the best.

@ElevateOrganics - not everything has to be connoisseur-quality. Times are tough. There are patients on very fixed incomes. They still need meds too. You guys do a great job @ HC-CC and have from the start. Keep it up. I've referred two patients, that I had to drop as their caregiver to get my patient number down, to you . You guys were close to them, and I liked what I've seen every time I've been in, both in terms of quality & service. As far as I know, they have been happy.

[senorx12562]

Since I never had more than 5 patients anyway ("patients?"), quality in my world is the same as it's always been, the only difference is that I'm right back where I started 20 years ago. I like it better this way anyway. I just have people waiting for others to die, which is kinda weird.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Alot of growers went back underground, but alot of growers opened up legit or are now working with MMC's including the one's you mention. You come to a fork in the road and you choose a path, to each his own. I've seen crap and fire come from commercial grows and from nice home set-ups. It's all about the love you put into it...

yep, for the love and passion of growing. trying to grow the absolute best is what its all about. thats all ive ever strived for.


meded-quality organics grown for potency, flavor and aroma

[cologrower420]

why would home grow quality be effected AT ALL by 1284?

I got smaller and my quality went way up.

of course you'll never see my herb at a dispensary now w/1284, and you'll never see most good home growers shit there either. Please don't toss us in with the warehouse learning curve! we got to skip that shit LOL

Are you saying small-scale growers like yourself are in-capable of growing commercial size? Why else would you, as a small scale grower (correct me if I'm wrong) say something like that? Just because you hate mmc's, you shouldn't hate the people in the garden. just my $.02

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Are you saying small-scale growers like yourself are in-capable of growing commercial size? Why else would you, as a small scale grower (correct me if I'm wrong) say something like that? Just because you hate mmc's, you shouldn't hate the people in the garden. just my $.02

i think the point was a lot of really good home growers who lack the financial means will never be able to share their superior ganja via mmc's given the current climate yes there are some good warehousers im sure however i think the consensus is that growers are pushing too fast and not enough care is being placed on the patients. there is the posibility that pesticides are being used during flower, i have heard of people getting respitory issues as of late.



meded-quality organics grown for superior potency, flavor and aroma

[copobo]

Are you saying small-scale growers like yourself are in-capable of growing commercial size? Why else would you, as a small scale grower (correct me if I'm wrong) say something like that? Just because you hate mmc's, you shouldn't hate the people in the garden. just my $.02

who said I hate mmc's (other than you)?

I was responding to the statement that quality has gone down since 1284, and the OP specifically mentioned homegrowers. That I don't unbderstand. The only thing that became harder for homegrowers is breaking even. There is no reason why 1284 would have effected homegrowers as we did not need to shift to a new style of growing or new location as a result of new rules.

Take a deep breath buddy! LOL

[metalbrad]

So how am I DEAD WRONG - I count 6-7 strains. Of which 2 have potential to be top strains if grown properly. The rest no matter how well it's grown are at best top mid strains. But everyone has different tastes. I do agree with you though that HC-CC has some decent stuff and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them, but even they aren't carrying the same number of strain they once did, and neither is any other MMC. Which I think is a good thing! Too many choices make it very difficult for patients to choose. A budtender has to spend a lot of time when many strains are too similar anyway and the end results are very similar. Still say a MMC only needs about 12-15 strains.

I still stand by my original post, but what some might consider Top Fire, for me might be Top Mids - but don't get me wrong I don't think most people even need Top Fire or are able to appreciate it. I know I don't get a chance to enjoy it that often. Like you (going by the strains you posted), I usually enjoy Top Mids.

Think cognacs - I usually enjoy Remy Martin VSOP when I'm out, but have Remy XO at home which I enjoy sparingly several times a month. Couple times of year I splurge and get a snifter of Remy Martin Louie (about $50-90/shot, unless it's my b-day then my favorite bar hooks a brother up). But if I'm hosting a party, I'm buying & providing the lower end Remy VS. My girlfriend - thinks all cognacs are disgusting and would have to get paid to drink the stuff.

If that analogy doesn't make sense then think steakhouses. Some people love The Outback. Me - can't stand their steaks, but will go with friends and enjoy myself anyway. I like Elway's, but even then prefer Elway's downtown over Cherry Creek - why because the steaks downtown are of better quality. Would most people even be able to tell the difference? Doubt it and that's fine.

Or take Thai food - when I first moved here about a decade ago, Tommy Thai had been voted best Thai food for about 6 years running. So of course I had to check it out! Guess what - they suck, no self-respecting Thai person would ever churn out that crap. I'm not saying I have incredible tastebuds, but there are some things I just really know how to appreciate. Now Mexican food & drink is still a new cuisine for me and I'm still learning to appreciate the better Mex food. Right now I can't really tell the difference too much between the various restaurants & their tacos, same goes with tequila. Most tequila taste like crap to me. I've only had one I thought was decent (Asombroso).

As long as you are enjoying whatever you have - that's what's important. Who cares what other people think. If you feel you're going a good deal that's all the better!

:jointsmile:

But don't tell me I'm dead wrong, and then go on to just confirm what I stated when you explain yourself.

you sir simply sound like a weed snob. hccc'c nug is the best shit ive seen in 7 years. IMO you are dead wrong because i see none of what you are complaining about in my weekly shoppings at HCCC. if you dont like what the stores have, lay off the 90 dollar shots of cognac and buy some lights and grow your own damn bud and stop complaining

[metalbrad]

although im sure you are completely correct in that most stores have suffered, but a lot of theres places were selling shwag in the first place. if your not growing your own crop, you dont know exactly whats happening, like Elevated said.

[cologrower420]

The silver lizard, cannacopia,blue sky care, ALCC. the lizard is my main goto but when they are in between harvests i hit alcc just down the street or cannacopia in stapleton area, and blue sky is in littleton and they have probably one of the most talented growers i've found. coloradogrower420 i'm not "poo-pooing" on anyone, like i said i dont goto centers that charge more then whats fair so i wouldnt know what your favs have to offer.

I went to blue sky care today. The owner (Richard?) was very friendly. They were having issues with new credit card and POS systems. No problem, waited less than five minutes.

Young attractive female bud tender, but didn't have much knowledge beyond, 'This one is stony' or 'I like that one'. They had 10-12 strains, 3 or 4 of which she called 'new' but knew nothing about.

There were only two strains worth even the $50, the sourdiesel and another of the new ones. I don't know who they pay to trim their flowers, but there were large stems as well as poorly trimmed fan leaves on nearly every strain. There are no first time discounts or anything else, and that's fine, but the quality better be there as well. I would have happily paid that much for an extra gram or crappy preroll or two. No such luck.

They had three jars/grades of hash, $20/$25/$30, all labeled bubble, one 50/50 and another with a third label, 'pressed'. There were different shades of dark tan to light brown, which tells me the various grades of bubble were likely just mixed together. All of the hash looked this way. The $30 stuff was the pressed stuff, and it just seemed slightly 'flatter' and there was some 'oil' around the jar that looked like resin. These were in big mason jars, and there was probably an ounce in each jar. It looked amateurishly made. No butane oil, ether. The girl seemed to get offended when I asked what size micron bags each grade was used with, she looked at me like I was dumb and repeated that it was bubble hash. Totally useless.

Oh well, picked up a few grams of the stuff that likely came from a vendor, went down the street for a 5 gram eighth with free pre-roll from one of my regular places.