Quality has really taken a plunge!

[cologrower420]

My position is based on almost 10 years in this industry as a patient, dispensary owner and a caregiver, and before that almost 20 years as an advocate, so if thats how you define ignorance then so be it. I spoke with an owner/friend yesterday about this very subject and it seems what 1284 has done at this point is put the smaller centers in a position where they cannot obtain quality meds and the ones that can are getting them on the black market. Since the beginning of Sept I have had more dispensaries call me looking than before, and one asked if I knew where to get 100 lbs, so what does that say? All these centers are desperate and willing to break the law to survive. Maybe as time goes on these centers grows will eventually satisfy the market but right now they are not.

I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

[blackhash]

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count?
Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc?

the smart caregivers did what they had to do to increase yields and keep their options open to the patients they lost "on paper" in all of this bullshit. This encompasses everything from switching to UC/MPB or larger container grown plants to bump yields to setting up duplicate grows on the same 5 cards at different locales. (gasp)

Things slowed down but are now picking back up. I think this upward trend will continue as the regs and cameras start to go in place and folks shy away from willfully being recorded buying illegal substances. Add to that the frenzy of some local jurisdictions to out and out ban or allow the dispensary issue to go to the voters and I foresee further increases as time goes on and the wheels of the dispensary bus become ever-more clogged with Gov't intrusion and greed.

:thumbsup:

[cologrower420]

the smart caregivers did what they had to do to increase yields and keep their options open to the patients they lost "on paper" in all of this bullshit. This encompasses everything from switching to UC/MPB or larger container grown plants to bump yields to setting up duplicate grows on the same 5 cards at different locales. (gasp)

Things slowed down but are now picking back up. I think this upward trend will continue as the regs and cameras start to go in place and folks shy away from willfully being recorded buying illegal substances. Add to that the frenzy of some local jurisdictions to out and out ban or allow the dispensary issue to go to the voters and I foresee further increases as time goes on and the wheels of the dispensary bus become ever-more clogged with Gov't intrusion and greed.

:thumbsup:

I appreciate your candor, and I hadn't even thought of duplicate grows, but it makes sense.

[blackhash]

It's the only way to fly these days, IMO. Keep the count right on the nuts at multiple houses and have that paperwork in order at each grow. Linking multiple grows set up under one card is impossible, just like tracking the private sales they've forced us into via 1284.

In the end, the folks unplugging because of the new regs were never growers in the first place. Those who have been at this game for awhile will adjust. In the end those folks with a solid understanding of how things work and have worked for years (pre "legality") know that the laws restricting private sales are unenforceable and the chance of getting caught is nil. If it were otherwise, many of us wouldn't be here to grow today. LOL.

As I said before, smart folks will ignore this crap and do what they've always done and the posers will sell their shit on craigslist.

:thumbsup:

[copobo]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

[cologrower420]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

I get frustrated when obvious first time sellers want top dollar for a whole lot of supplies, like it's free ebay. I laugh when people get offended that I ask to buy a single piece of a multiple item post. Oh well.

Unless it's an important item, I don't see any reason to pay retail for grow supplies.

[cologrower420]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

600 watt grow light and ballast

[GratefulMeds]

I'm new to estes park. There aren't any MMC's here, only one appears to be in Lyons. Driving to boulder is a slight hassle. I'd really like to hook up with a more local caregiver. I am a higher volume patient, so I'm worth more to someone who continues to provide medicine to patients.

Are there other forums where caregivers can get into contact with patients like myself? It seems apparent that this site discourages contact between members. That's fine since it protects everyone, it just puts additional barriers between me and a caregiver. I'm not asking for specifics, is there some keywords I can google or something? I don't even see any sketchballs selling overages on CL locally.

Advice? thx.

take peak to peak hwy to Nederland it will be worth it.:thumbsup:

[canaguy27]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

i have 10 or so 600w mag ballast sitting in my garage. along with a few hoods, sockets, bulbs etc. ALL NEW.

i can create a cl ad for you if you want. my friend has an account with a wholesaler and i sell stuff on cl and such.

[Zedleppelin]

I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

I'm not sure I understand the intent of this statement. Are you attempting to imply something?

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

I have no idea what other caregivers are doing, but its been a long time since I grew over 36 plants, and even with that I'm able to pull 2 1/2 lbs a month which is enough to keep me happy. I dont trust the increased counts, but I suppose if I was younger and had more balls I could grow 125 plants with my recs. Since its been over a year since I've been involved with dispensaries I also dont know how most are handling 1284, but what i've heard from people on the inside is right now there are only 2 regulators covering the entire state, so you do the math.

Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

No, I dont despise patients or new growers, I despise people who are new to this and think they know every damn thing, I despise people who claim clinics can grow better quality than a caregiver, I despise people that compare caregivers to drug dealers, I despise people that compare someone growing a plant to a meth lab, and I certainly despise people who wish others to get busted.