Are private sales still legal?

[GratefulMeds]

As far as Edson, he has a vested interest to interpret the law in the manner that benefits him the most. Within days after the passage of 1284 he was on Facebook arguing with Kathleen and a few other people on how great 1284 was and how being a caregiver growing in your home has always been illegal due to zoning regulations. I've also heard he helped craft 1284 or at least had some input to it so I take what he says with a grain of salt.

I am no fan either, I was a bit pissed at how he seemed to be in glee when almost every Patient and Mom & Pop store had just got screwed in the worst way.:wtf:

[MakeSense]

Do we know of a case where patients trades 2oz's or less for money in CO and is arrested and successfully prosecuted?

There would be no instance of this at this time...
That is because this part of the bill will not be in effect until July of this year.

As to the constitutionality.... That is why it is called an Amendment, Bill, etc.
Because they are amending the constitution or defining limitations to the right. I have the right to bear arms, just as long as I follow the rules...
Some would say BS I have the right to bear arms period under the constitution.... Just test that theory.

I think it all comes down to the old city hall thing.

As they say in Japan:
"The Nail that Sticks Up will be hammered down."

Don't think the feds are'nt chomping at the bit to find and prosecute violators of the state guidelines.

[canniwhatsis]

I have the right to bear arms, just as long as I follow the rules...
Some would say BS I have the right to bear arms period under the constitution.... Just test that theory.

I test that theory every day when I drive to work. And have done so in other more questionable instances.


I have a right to bear arms, period, it's in the constitution that this great country was founded on. At the time it was scribed "Arms" were any thing from muskets to swords and daggers.


We still have this right, but the rules say we can't conceal them without a special license..... Thus a 3.5" folding blade is illegal, since apparently folding the blade back into the stock is concealing the "weapon"


You CAN carry a firearm into ANY public place as long as it's not concealed, and you make no effort to "Brandish" it, just look at how many hunters carry their 06's in to "Gander Mountain" or what have you with no worries!


I personally do not own a firearm,.... but I do own several swords, spears, and poleaxes, and I know how to use them.

So I carry a Japanese short sword in my car at all times and have done so for many years, It's in full veiw as the blade is stuffed between the seat and center console, but the hilt and back of the blade is exposed and in easy reach.

Many Many years ago I carried a 13" long dagger on my hip while wandering thru a mall,.... Security followed me, as did the local PD,.... but since I was just window shopping they couldn't touch me for having the weapon! Could have been a .45 and would have been the same results.

[MakeSense]

I test that theory every day when I drive to work. And have done so in other more questionable instances.


I have a right to bear arms, period, it's in the constitution that this great country was founded on. At the time it was scribed "Arms" were any thing from muskets to swords and daggers.


We still have this right, but the rules say we can't conceal them without a special license..... Thus a 3.5" folding blade is illegal, since apparently folding the blade back into the stock is concealing the "weapon"


You CAN carry a firearm into ANY public place as long as it's not concealed, and you make no effort to "Brandish" it, just look at how many hunters carry their 06's in to "Gander Mountain" or what have you with no worries!


I personally do not own a firearm,.... but I do own several swords, spears, and poleaxes, and I know how to use them.

So I carry a Japanese short sword in my car at all times and have done so for many years, It's in full veiw as the blade is stuffed between the seat and center console, but the hilt and back of the blade is exposed and in easy reach.

Many Many years ago I carried a 13" long dagger on my hip while wandering thru a mall,.... Security followed me, as did the local PD,.... but since I was just window shopping they couldn't touch me for having the weapon! Could have been a .45 and would have been the same results.

Pretty ballsy bro.
Now try that in California.

[canniwhatsis]

Pretty ballsy bro.
Now try that in California.

I don't know Cali's rules,... but if they are as tightassed as that post implies, I don't want to ever go there.

I seldom carry weapons in public since I can do plenty of damage with a box cutter, and carrying a proper knife makes all the SHEEPnervous.

I'm not a violent person, but it's a strange world we live in, So I know how to defend myself and my family. :hippy:

[shackhouser]

Are you trying to get people arrested? You repeatedly give out incorrect info to people that could get them charged with a felony. Stop. Direct them to 1284 on Warren Edsons website and let them figure it out themselves if you are really trying to help. :wtf:

This is definitely gonna be something that will be debated as this law comes into fruition. HB 1284 is already being challenged with lawsuits so we will all have to wait to see how it plays out. Many of these bills/amendments are very poorly written. If you don't believe me, check out this excerpt from HB 1284 as reiewed by the Health District of Northern Larimer County Board of Directors.

Requirements for Medical Marijuana Centers

"Medical marijuana centers must be nonprofit."

This kind of language is going to be the source of debates when it comes to caregivers as the wording in the bill is that care-givers must also be non-profit, however, I guarantee MMC are still going to be charging $350/oz.

[shackhouser]

I would have to agree to be wary of anyone that is involved in this legislation who has a vested interest seeing one side or the other benefit from it. This happens in every single industry in this country and medical marijuana is not immune. When theres this much money being thrown around , enter the lawyers, politicians, special interests, all looking to draft bills to benefit their finanacial interests.

[shackhouser]

It is actually very straight forward. Caregivers can not profit, period end of story. That means you can cover your expenses, and nothing else.
The effective date is July this year.

It's time to come to Jesus

Might not be that simple:

Page 46 House Bill 10-1284

(d) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT CHARGE A PATIENT MORE THAN

THE COST OF CULTIVATING OR PURCHASING THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, BUT
MAY CHARGE FOR CAREGIVER SERVICES.

[MakeSense]

Might not be that simple:

Page 46 House Bill 10-1284

(d) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT CHARGE A PATIENT MORE THAN

THE COST OF CULTIVATING OR PURCHASING THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, BUT
MAY CHARGE FOR CAREGIVER SERVICES.

Sounds good, but this still says nothing about excess meds.
How much will a patient allow a caregiver to charge them is probably the better question. How much demand will your patient base generate in a given period??? They should probably address the caregiver excess meds issue...
Otherwise it looks like they expect a lot of medicine to be destroyed.
Why can't a registered care provider sell to MMCs again?

[TheReleafCenter]

Sounds good, but this still says nothing about excess meds.
How much will a patient allow a caregiver to charge them is probably the better question. How much demand will your patient base generate in a given period??? They should probably address the caregiver excess meds issue...
Otherwise it looks like they expect a lot of medicine to be destroyed.
Why can't a registered care provider sell to MMCs again?

It's too hard for the government to tell what comes from caregivers vs the black market. They also want to be able to "recall" bad product in the event there is mold/bugs/etc. They're also trying to cut down on what are essentially small businesses operating inside of homes; Denver already issued a ban on just that.