Please Help Identify!!(PICS)

[bluntar]

Ok im gona take a stab at this.

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So,.... exactly what am I looking at in the first picture? That sure isn't 2 pistils! Looks, (to me anyway) like a calyx with one pistil and a (I'm guessing here) complete pollen sack?

So wouldn't it be a hermaphrodite calyx?

First of all Rusty, I want you to settle this your way because I am interested and dont know if I am on the right track.

What I see in the first picture is a ton of pollen sacks or "nanners" (because they look like a bunch of bananas when they open up). It can look like a bunch of calyxs's but the hairs you see is not a female part but only the feathering of the single finger leaf like plant parts that make up the out side of the pollen sack. Like the end of each banana bunched up because it has not opend up yet.

As for the hermy calyx thing I dont think it is possible because a plant either has pollen sacks OR calyx's. Once the calyx gets the pollen on the "hair" or pistil it then forms the seed which doesnt make it a male or a hermie, just a pollinated female. So I guess you could have a hermy that produces pollin and also have un-pollinated calyx but that would have to be a female that later turned hermie but wouldent last long because it would pollinate its self. In the case of Bataleon420 here that couldnt have happend because the plant never made any calyxs, only pollin sacks or "nanners" that look like a calyx because it was a male from the get go. If I am wrong dont hate on me...just trying to help

While were at it, Rusty... or whoever (weezard) if you dont mind...the "swolen" calyx that is not makeing a seed...what is it swelling with and why does it swell...and scare me like that?

ok rusty...your turn!

P.S. watching tosh.o and thying get all that out, whew. Hope it all makes sence!

[Rusty Trichome]

Aren't there 5-6 little glands that hang down off of a pollen sack once it opens? This is where I draw the conclusion of excess pistils.

The pod cover peels back when ripe, exposing the sepals (the little pods hanging-down when open) and releasing the pollen.

(Forgive me on my lack of proper names, still learning and all. And Thanks for the proper spelling on calyx and pistil! :thumbsup: )

Part of the learning process is to know the names of your plant parts.
Seed Formation PDF

As for the last question, NONE! I've actually kept plants that I knew were a risk for asexuality, much to my greater disappointment. All plants I've grown are clones.

The only hermies I keep, are ones I've purposefully stressed. It's the first step in femming seeds, but one can easily inbreed bad traits through consistently femming from femmed seeds.

So,.... exactly what am I looking at in the first picture? That sure isn't 2 pistils! Looks, (to me anyway) like a calyx with one pistil and a (I'm guessing here) complete pollen sack?

Both are swollen calyx's with pistils coming out. Quantity of pistils coming out can vary. The differences can be from wind or handling killing the pistil (which will be replaced with one or two or more in it's place) My guess is, the calyx with multiple pistils is an old calyx, and it's getting tired of the (underperforming) pistils not pollinating her. (Plants get frustrated, too, lol)

So wouldn't it be a hermaphrodite calyx?

A calyx is always female. When you find one on a male plant, it's just a calyx (female sexual organ) on a hermaphrodite male. If your calyx opens-up exposing sepals, (nanner pods full of pollen) it's a genetic defect, and is not the norm, even for hermaphrodites. Not impossible, I guess...but I've never seen it or heard of it myself.

First of all Rusty, I want you to settle this your way because I am interested and dont know if I am on the right track.

...? Seriously? You want a grumpy answer nobody likes...? :wtf: <kidding>

What I see in the first picture is a ton of pollen sacks or "nanners" (because they look like a bunch of bananas when they open up). It can look like a bunch of calyxs's but the hairs you see is not a female part but only the feathering of the single finger leaf like plant parts that make up the out side of the pollen sack. Like the end of each banana bunched up because it has not opend up yet.

Yup. Those are nanners, bannanas, pollen sacks...whatever you want to call 'em.

As for the hermy calyx thing I dont think it is possible because a plant either has pollen sacks OR calyx's. Once the calyx gets the pollen on the "hair" or pistil it then forms the seed which doesnt make it a male or a hermie, just a pollinated female.

Yup.

So I guess you could have a hermy that produces pollin and also have un-pollinated calyx but that would have to be a female that later turned hermie but wouldent last long because it would pollinate its self.

Maybe. Sometimes the pollen is not viable. Not sure if it's the timing or the plant maturity, but on occation I've forced nanners, painted the pollen on the pistils...and got no seeds for the effort.

In the case of Bataleon420 here that couldnt have happend because the plant never made any calyxs, only pollin sacks or "nanners" that look like a calyx because it was a male from the get go. If I am wrong dont hate on me...just trying to help

Yup...it's a male.

While were at it, Rusty... or whoever (weezard) if you dont mind...the "swolen" calyx that is not makeing a seed...what is it swelling with and why does it swell...and scare me like that?

As with many things in biology, things grow as the age. Ear lobes, noses, fan leaves, fingernails, ego's... But calyx's are just preparing for eventuality of being pollinated. Women (mammals) go through a similar 'bloating' about once a month. It's a biological process preparing the womb (or calyx) for the eventuality of seed formation. A readers Digest version, but close enough I think. :thumbsup:

[bobjob4u]

It is always great to know the science behind an answer. Dont have that problem no more only fems are grown round these parts..:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

The pod cover peels back when ripe, exposing the sepals (the little pods hanging-down when open) and releasing the pollen.


Part of the learning process is to know the names of your plant parts.
Seed Formation PDF


Both are swollen calyx's with pistils coming out. Quantity of pistils coming out can vary. The differences can be from wind or handling killing the pistil (which will be replaced with one or two or more in it's place) My guess is, the calyx with multiple pistils is an old calyx, and it's getting tired of the (underperforming) pistils not pollinating her. (Plants get frustrated, too, lol)

A calyx is always female. When you find one on a male plant, it's just a calyx (female sexual organ) on a hermaphrodite male. If your calyx opens-up exposing sepals, (nanner pods full of pollen) it's a genetic defect, and is not the norm, even for hermaphrodites. Not impossible, I guess...but I've never seen it or heard of it myself.

Well, by reading that PDF, wouldn't the pollen glands be the Stamens? And the casing be sepals? Whatever, but thought I'd ask.

I know that there is a casing around the pollen glands (Sepals, Stamens whatever) while they grow and it splits open exposing them when they are ready.

I know that there is a casing around the seeds while they grow, (presumably an unfertilized female flower or Calyx as well.) and it splits open revealing the seed. This casing is what I've been calling a Calyx. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I'm still edjumecating myself.:jointsmile:


I tried to catch different angles of the suspect flower, and that's the only one that turned out in any way.

What you might not be understanding (or perhaps not seeing) is that the solid yellowish mass that's growing out of the right side, is in the same casing that contains the pistil.


Perhaps next time I will attempt to excise the casing from the core of the flower when I find a nanner growing out of a bud. :detective1:

[Rusty Trichome]

Sure. Can't wait to see it...:thumbsup:

[bluntar]

Clever, surgery!

[StickyFingas]

I hoped for the best and prepared for the worst. I went outside today and snapped these couple shots. Dont even think its a hermie.. I snipped off some leaves to let everyone get a better look at whats going on with my plant.

Def a man plant

[bedrik]

Thanks Rusty. I'll keep future posts in check,.... but I've got flowers on my suspect hermi plant, that as the pistils begin growing out of the calyx generate 5-6 from almost every flower. They are all a little contorted, and most of them seem to hang up in the calyx. Aren't there 5-6 little glands that hang down off of a pollen sack once it opens? This is where I draw the conclusion of excess pistils.

(Forgive me on my lack of proper names, still learning and all. And Thanks for the proper spelling on calyx and pistil! :thumbsup: )


As for the last question, NONE! I've actually kept plants that I knew were a risk for asexuality, much to my greater disappointment. All plants I've grown are clones.


So,.... exactly what am I looking at in the first picture? That sure isn't 2 pistils! Looks, (to me anyway) like a calyx with one pistil and a (I'm guessing here) complete pollen sack?

So wouldn't it be a hermaphrodite calyx?

Yes he is right here.