Vending?

[budsndrums]

Where have all the vendors gone? It's been awfully quiet around here lately.

I will be in to see you guys again in 4-6 weeks - "sell no wine before its time":smokin:

[Zedleppelin]

I will be in to see you guys again in 4-6 weeks - "sell no wine before its time":smokin:

Probably not since September 1 is the day they stop buying.

[colagal]

Cannabis has been grown, bought, and sold for as long as there have been people, and I have been participating in that market in one way or another for about 40 years, and not once has the thought entered my head that "boy, I sure wish the government would get involved in this market. We really need regulating." Many posters on this site act as if is this is all new with the advent of "medical" marijuana. Trust me, it is not. As a matter of policy, ALL DRUGS, and most particularly cannabis, should be totally unregulated, except by the market itself, AND AVAILABLE TO ANY ADULT WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION AND WITHOUT LIMITATION. Deaths from acetaminophen number close to 1000 per year, and yet a 10 year old can walk into the grocery and buy 10 bottles of tylenol. There is absolutely no justification for treating cannabis any differently.

Well, during the past 40 years (I was around during Woodstock as well), it wasn't exactly a free market until recently. It was an underground market. Nonetheless, people were free to OD as they wished, which they did often...but probably not as fatally as other drugs.

It wasn't until the dispensaries started signing up anyone with the $$ to play and started CREATING a larger need for "medical" marijuana that the illusion was created that there was a need for more dispensaries. (i, e. "supply") Once the neon pot leaves hit and the roadside signs went up the 'secret' game we had going was exposed and the changes came down the sewer pipe for all.

I like yer unregulated scenario, senor, especially in the marijuana world. Such legality and prevelance would squish this cureent >greed-based< model flat and would seperate out, much as we had previously/before july 20th 2009, those who are in this to help others and interested in moving things forward at a reasonable pace, and those who are only in this for themselves.

Generally, whether it is mm, or tomatoes, or any good, I suspect people nowadays prefer to shop at centers - much more convenient, there are more choices, etc. And the centers certainly took advantage once it became more of a free market....just like any commodity. Regulation is inevitable for the "public good" at these scales, especially when trying to legalize it. Not saying regulation is always effective, (probably mostly ineffective) but, even though it appears the general public distrusts government, they still look to government to help provide assurances - a kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't situation if you are in government.

[SoCoMMJ]

regulation isn't going to stop use of pesticides, nor will it end up on most labels.

No, I did not think it would. But if there was an issue with somebody's product you could track where it went and recall it.

if someone sprayed with avid on week seven, we'd smoke and never know.

I'm pretty sure testing is coming, and not too far down the timeline.

what about farmers markets and all the little organic growers that sell to restaurants and people outside of the shopping CENTERS.

They likely provide and invoice and contact info of some sort. If there was an issue it could be tracked. Vendors had always been cloaked in anonymity.

this regulation does nothing but protect the dispensaries, the big dispensaries especially.

I don't know how you can say that when a good portion of them were forced to close. The remaining ones were scrambling to hire growers. No protection is offered. The DEA can still kick in any door they want tomorrow.

Yes, I believe that the 5 caregiver limit is wrong and most likely unconstitutional. Don't get me wrong there. There was already enough business for to support the caregiver model in addition to to the dispensary model. Dispensaries did not need this bill to gain market share. However, I believe that the restriction was made to prevent 10kw+ grows in neighborhood basements when they should probably be in commercial/industrial locations.

they've re-gathered our rights, and they are selling them off.

Welcome to America... it's what we do to ourselves

[SoCoMMJ]

The insinuation above that meds grown by caregivers are full of chems and the meds grown by dispensaries are somehow better/safer is such a crock.
Get real.

I'm pretty sure that I wasn't insinuating that caregivers hose down their crops with a bunch of shit. The caregivers that I know do a great job of growing a quality product. You wanted an example, I provided a scenario where it would be good to know where the product came from besides "in through the back door from some guy".

RE: "Get real" Is that really necessary in a otherwise healthy discussion?

The State is requiring the dispensaries to grow their own and cut off the caregiver sales because of REVENUE/TAX INCOME...nothing else.

If that was the case, wouldn't they be requiring caregivers to pay sales taxes each month on sales? Instead they required the product sold for cost and charged additional for "service". There is no tax on service. When was the last time you paid sales tax ?

Welcome to the world of mass produced warehouse "med" pot! Coming soon to a patient near you....

You are convinced that a quality product can not be produced in a space larger than your basement. If the strains are the same, and the conditions are optimal, what makes the quality falter? Or are you saying that every commercial warehouse just grows 10,000 sf of Big Bud?

[blackhash]

Sorry about the get real comment.

FYI...I paid sales taxes the entire time I operated a retail business. Employee taxes too. FICA, Medicaid, etc. on top of that. That's cus it was a business with a storefront ya drive to that sold to anyone who walked in the door with the cash. (just like a dispensary is a business)

Up until 1284 passed I would have gladly pay sales tax on any med sales made. However, since they basically took my Amendment 20 RIGHTS away with 1284, there's just no way in Hell I would say the same thing today!

I believe that Patient groups are gonna boom very soon as supply wanes and fluctuates and the dispensaries become unreliable. By networking patients will be able to circumvent the entire dispensary model.

Crop quality from warehouse grows is yet to be seen. Basement grows have proven success to date and are what got this "industry" it's start.

And as far as the 5 patient cap somehow limiting 10K grows in residential neighorhoods...

I currently light 6 plants in bloom with 6K. I have 5 cards @ present. While I can currently take care of all of my patients needs with those 6 plants there is NOTHING that limits my right to set up as many lights as I need to cover the plant count (15 in flower) I am legally allowed under 1284/A20.

[SoCoMMJ]

Sorry about the get real comment.

It's all good. I enjoy a good discussion until people start pointing out what a prick I am. I like to save that for people that know me personally.

I believe that Patient groups are gonna boom very soon as supply wanes and fluctuates and the dispensaries become unreliable.

I'm not so sure that the supply is going to be as short as you think. There are some very large gardens in development across the state. If anything, I believe the market will become saturated. In the end that will be good for patients as the price point falls across the board.

By networking patients will be able to circumvent the entire dispensary model.

I know people discuss the patient to patient sales, however I'm not yet convinced on the legality of that one yet. Somebody will have to run it through the courts to establish precedence.

Crop quality from warehouse grows is yet to be seen. Basement grows have proven success to date and are what got this "industry" it's start.

Yes, and that's where we started too. I can honestly say that the quality is the same. The warehouse has fewer heat issues and better ventilation so it may even be better. Quality has to do with strain, attention to detail, good nutes, lights, flushing properly, and not screwing it up.

And as far as the 5 patient cap somehow limiting 10K grows in residential neighorhoods... there is NOTHING that limits my right to set up as many lights as I need to cover the plant count

Right, and that's the problem they were adressing. If you are running 1k light per plant x your 15 plants that's 9x15 or 45-50 amps of power and heat. That is a LOT for a residence. If they had allowed 20 patients that would add up to like a bazillion amps. It would be like the Clark Griswold's house at Christmas time.

I was trying to infer that due to the dangers of pulling that much power over crappy residential wiring could prove to be a real issue if not done properly. You may be doing it right, but the next guy??? Lots of amps should probably be in industrial area was my point.

Not trying to say the 5 patient cap was right, just pointing out why they may have gone there.

[blackhash]

I here ya about "why" they THINK they are going there with such plant restrictions, but the dumbasses in power just don't understand that there are folks like me out there who...if SOMEHOW throttled back by zoning (I'll fight this in court) will merely DOUBLE their lighting to make up the slack that plant restrictions can impose!!

If I have to I'll light my 6 plants with that 20K of light they don't want in my home...lighting up the neighborhood like a Wal-Mart parking lot just to SPITE them....then I'll invite them over for tea and crumpets to check it all out. (the cops have been IN my med garden before and had to leave empty handed..WAHHHH) My home. my rights. Fuck off.

In other words... I too, am a prick. While others are afraid to speak/show their face I've been at every county meeting involving MMJ. they KNOW where I live and what I do and that i'm not gonna be silent and listen to their uninformed crap.

Pateint to patient sales may not be fully 'legal' under 1284 but the fact of the matter is that, like dealing illegally (which most of us did pre-med..don't lie, folks), it is very, very hard to track/prosecute such sales...(or most of us wouldn't be here right now...LOL) and yes,an arrest of this nature WILL be challenged in court because many of us believe that A-20 is unchangeable EXCEPT by a vote of the people. FWIW, I feel 100% that the dispensary model should have gone to a vote BEFORE regs were made to regulate it/legitimize it.

I wish you (your crew?) well in growing that warehouse full. I hope all the folks you employ hourly to tend this massive amount of ganja (and trim..holy shit..) care as much as you seem to care! Not ALL operations will be so "quality focused".

blackhash

[SoCoMMJ]

In other words... I too, am a prick.

Ahhhh the internets... the only place I know where a couple of pricks can come together for a common good :rasta:

[TheReleafCenter]

I'm not so sure that the supply is going to be as short as you think. There are some very large gardens in development across the state. If anything, I believe the market will become saturated. In the end that will be good for patients as the price point falls across the board.

I think that's the crux of the problem. You have very few people out there with the 501+ MMC license who will be in control of a vast majority of the supply.