Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

[boaz]

Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

July 19th, 2010 By: Russ Belville,
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Two notable sticking points have to do with minors below 21: Prop 19 creates a new crime in being an adult over 21 who gives marijuana to adults aged 18-20 and Prop 19 forbids adults over 21 from smoking where minors are present. Prop 19â??s penalties in the first situation mirror the penalties for giving alcohol to 18-20-year-olds; but, yes, it is disturbing to create a new statute that calls for jail time over marijuana. Itâ??s also questionable whether an adult should be punished for smoking pot if their child can see them â?? we donâ??t even require that of alcohol and tobacco.
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point of info, I think that section about "Prop 19 forbids adults over 21 from smoking where minors are present." is not correct. Prop 19 says that any law that ALREADY EXISTS on the books right now about smoking in front of a minor would not be nullified by Prop 19. I checked the current codes and I didn't find any current State laws about smoking in front of a minor. It may be a reference to local county and city statutes, but nothing new just saying whatever exists now will still be there Nov. 3rd regarding that. So, I think that part amounts to nothing.

I would challenge anyone to prove me wrong in the actual law. I have it all posted on here somewhere.

The only actual new law prop 19 creates is it would become illegal to give herb to anyone under 21, just like alcohol laws are now. (unless for its for medical reasons under a doctor's rec which I believe has no pre defined age limits)

[boaz]

^ actually, if you think about it, it is already illegal to give herb to anyone under 21 because its already illegal to give herb to ANYONE right now. So that is not a new law either. NO NEW LAWS AT ALL. just saying current laws about minors will not be nullified by a Yes vote, thats all. How could anyone vote no on this???

[boaz]

It seems obvious that greedy corporations, rich growers, etc., would try to take advantage of a legalized market. What can you do?

Who's taking advantage of the current illegal market? Drug cartels? Gray-area medical growers? Plain old folks just trying to make a buck?

The prop won't be perfect, and will have to be considered by local communities, but a fair process will result in at least a few cities that recognize the benefits of legalization, and work to make it profitable.

Another aspect is tourism. $80-something billion last year in Cali. It was 90-something billion a year before. How many college students would rather go to spring break where they don't have to worry about getting busted for weed any more than getting busted for alcohol? People vacation in Amsterdam just so they can toke up without worrying. How many more will come here?

Think about N. Cal wine-and-weed tours! The skiers, surfers, and visitors to Disneyland who can chill at the end of the day with a few tokes and not worry about getting busted and all those hassles.

Yes, there will no doubt be giant, greedy corporations trying all kinds of tricks to control the new market. We can regulate that. There will be more laws coming down the road. This is just the first step.

:greenthumb: true. we will continue to regulate greedy corps the same way we do now. a tuff slog, no doubt, but that will continue long after prop 19's vote either way it turns out. :twocents:

vote yes for herb tourism and prepare to the flood of tourist. $$$ :rastasmoke:

[Theym420]

This could be good :jointsmile:

[WillieD]

I hear that it is close. Like 49% pro and 51% con.

I hope to god some of these lethargic stoners get out and vote this time around.

[boaz]

^ here is the latest intrade chart. looking better all the time, about 50/50 right now. some polls are still showing 10% undecided. they will decide the vote.

Yes.on.19.Nov

The voters of California did 14 years ago I am confident they can do it again.

[mikeyman]

well i here that the tables have turned and we are ahead in the polls now...watch the news:stoned:
as far as tax money helping the state of califonia..lol...they never will have enough money

[Blazed Deafy]

I hear that it is close. Like 49% pro and 51% con.

I hope to god some of these lethargic stoners get out and vote this time around.

they will vote and perhaps i predict the election could be significant turnout dont sweat on hoping

[ZeroWingX]

If you're not a lawyer and not a college grad, you have no business making any kind of word for word analysis of Prop 19. Only someone truly versed in the law is qualified to do so. Your position at NORML doesn't impress me, and I find you to be a fool!

Agreed What this guy seems not to realize is you also WONT be able to smaoke outside your home, this to me is more offending than anything else. Your not upset about that? Its like the state LOVES making money off you but is ashamed you do it, so shhhh only do it inside. Thats bs treat this for what it truely is. Medication, there is no such thing as a "recreational" smoker. Even if you think you don't have anything medically wrong with you.Well do you smoke because it helps with stress? You still smoke medically, for Mental Stress. So according to prop 19 , shouldn't people only be able to pop asprin in their homes? Can't take Cough syrup in public, ull get thrown in jail! Thats how they are treating Marijuana , but guess you didnt think of that right? If you dont want to pay $45-$50 dollars to smoke legaly , maybe you shouldn't do it. I'd rather not be confined to smoking only in my house, I like blazing and going surfing, it helps me calm down. And guess what I'm not ashamed nor do I get fines or jailed. I have even been cuffed, 10 min later after checking my script,he stood me up appologized and said "Nice surf today huh?, be safe, have a good one". Try that with Prop 19 passed. Your gonna be in for a totaly different time. I just believe maybe we should wait till a better Prop is written up.
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[leadmagnet]

Every day we wait more people get busted.

Hell, I've been treated like a whore for so long it doesn't even particularly bother me anymoe.