Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

[traincyclura]

Someone would actually vote no? Makes me sick! These same people that have their med cards are content, the growers making big bucks are content. Do you know who isn't content? ME, THATS WHO! From what I understand med patiants won't be regulated by 19, so whats the deal? Boaz, youre like refeer madness all over again, spreading BS propaganda! You have yours, now let us have ours. Do you really think that all the med cards are being used by people that actually need them, that whole system is being abused in itself. You say one love, do you mean it? Rome wasn't built in a day. Baby steps man, baby steps. If you say one love, than live one love. Californians can make history in a few weeks for the rest of the country, don't mess it up. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

traincyclura Reviewed by traincyclura on 10-15-2010. Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis July 19th, 2010 By: Russ Belville, NORML Outreach Coordinator Share this Article Iâ??ve spent the weekend reading various blogs that have sprouted up in opposition to Proposition 19, Californiaâ??s effort to legalize marijuana this November. These â??Stoners Against Legalizationâ?� blogs confound me; they remind me of Sam Kinisonâ??s line comparing â??Rock Against Drugsâ?� to â??Christians Against Christâ?�. Rating: 5

[WillyNilly]

VapedG13 is using the arguments of our current medical mafia, who enjoy making the big bucks with their monopoly.

His arguments have been debunked, but he keeps talking like they weren't. There's no reason to vote against 19.

[VapedG13]

As medical card holders... there is no reason for us to vote for 19:thumbsup: Almost Anyone in Cali can get a card

This issue is dividing US not uniting US.....Thats why it wont pass:hippy:

Stoners Against the Prop. 19 Tax Cannabis Initiative Stoners Against the Prop. 19 Tax Cannabis Initiative

[VapedG13]

Once you have your card (for a small fee)... you dont have to go to the stores....now you can legally grow your own.

I havent bought any weed for over 15 yrs....get your card grow your own legally.....who said anything about buying from stores...we know they are a rip off:hippy:

Almost anyone can use the system now in place to grow their own weed legally.

Why not just amend 215 for recreational users:thumbsup:

[StoneMeadow]

Almost Anyone in Cali can get a card.

No they can't. Only about one-half of one percent of Californians have a mmj card. Even if those numbers expanded by ten times, 95% of the population would still be locked out of the system, and exposed to potential State prison time for growing a few plants.

Do you hate your fellow Californians so much that you rather send them to prison rather than let them smoke legal recreational cannabis?

Or are you so caught up in the profits you make from mmj that you'd screw your fellow citizens rather than sharing the benefits?

Once you have your card (for a small fee)... you dont have to go to the stores....now you can legally grow your own.

Why should I or any other adult have to feed the mmj money machine to legally use cannabis? Why? Just answer the friggin question!

I sent my ballot in yesterday...checked the yes box on 19, even though I easily qualify for a card.

[VapedG13]

Why should I or any other adult have to feed the mmj money machine to legally use cannabis? Why? Just answer the friggin question!

I sent my ballot in yesterday...checked the yes box on 19, even though I easily qualify for a card.

Good for you bro....your going to pay the government for your 5x5 they will tax it watch and see

Under 215 they cant tax crops without a vote.... under 19 they have unlimted power to levy taxes without any voting..so now it could be nothing in 6 months they could charge $1000

Give the government total control:thumbsup:

[StoneMeadow]

Good for you bro....your going to pay the government for your 5x5 they will tax it watch and see

I note that you didn't bother to answer my questions. Instead you engaged in another round of misinformation and FUD.

Under 215 they cant tax crops without a vote.... under 19 they have unlimted power to levy taxes without any voting

Give the government total control:thumbsup:

More FUD, but let's do the sums, shall we?

What's your worst case...that Ammiano's $50/oz tax becomes reality? That's a dollar-eighty a gram. According to ads and links on this website, right now mmj typically sells for $10-$13 a gram. And since these growers are legal, there's no way it costs anywhere near that much to grown and sell. I have a garden, fruit trees and a small vineyard, so I know how much it costs to grow stuff.

Now, how about answering my questions?

[VapedG13]

nowadays everyone has to pay to play.....curently its a card

your going to be paying the marijuana machine ....the government will become that:thumbsup: thats a fact.

Why do you think the commercialization of marijuana is even becoming an option the money ...you have a poor state that needs money....the government needs money

[StoneMeadow]

nowadays everyone has to pay to play.....curently its a card

No, it's not just the card. Which-oh-by-the-way is a $60 to $100+ a year "tax" that was never voted on. It's also the ongoing artificially high prices patients and everyone else has to pay every time they buy.

your going to be paying the marijuana machine ....the government will become that:thumbsup: thats a fact.

No...it is NOT a fact. Read the actual verbiage of the Proposition: "Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older." See that part of allowing the regulation and taxation of COMMERCIAL production and sale of marijuana? That is NOT a license to regulate the private production and use of mj by adults.

Why do you think the commercialization of marijuana is even becoming an option the money ...you have a poor state that needs money....the government needs money

Prop 19 was not a government initiative. In fact the State Gov't opposes it and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into it by the voters. The commercialization clause was put in there because the backers of the bill want to do commercial grow ops without the local po-po getting their knickers in a knot. They're prepared to pay taxes as the quid-pro-quo, but nobody thinks taxes from commercial pot are going to make any significant difference to our fiscal woes.

That's a topic for another thread on another forum...

[leadmagnet]

Cultivation is one such law that is noticeably non-exempt.

In spite of the fact that the tax cannabis Web site says otherwise, the only medical marijuana exemptions that the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative actually makes are with regard to possession, consumption and purchase limits, which only ensure that patients would still be allowed to buy medicine at dispensaries.

The word â??cultivateâ?� is conspicuously absent. Whereas today a person with a doctorâ??s recommendation has the right to grow up to an unlimited number of plants, the initiative would drastically reduce that number to whatever can fit in a 5â??x5â?? footprint (around 3-6 plantsâ??per property, not per person).

This will force many patients to resort to buying instead of growing their own medicine, because of the inconvenience caused by producing multiple grows a year rather than growing a yearâ??s supply of medicine at one time, as many patients currently do outdoors. And growing indoorsâ??which typically requires special grow lights, an increase in hydro use, and a lot of time and attentionâ??is a comparatively expensive endeavor.

The initiative would further impact medical marijuana patients by banning medicating in the privacy of their own homes if there are minors present, as well as in public (currently perfectly legal[18])â??an invaluable liberty to those with painful diseases who would otherwise have to suffer until they got home to relieve their pain.

Finally, the medical marijuana laws that are exempted from this initiative apparently only apply to cities. For medical marijuana patients who live in an area that has county or local government jurisdiction, according to a strict reading of the initiative, medical marijuana laws are not exempt


Medical Marijuana patients should have different laws that apply to the medical patients

Recreational users should have their own set of laws governing their use

Medical Marijuana patients have a need for weed

Recreational users have a want for weed

All I see is a bunch of recreatioanl users using medical people as a steping stone.....make it legal at all cost.....insted of a stepping stone... you all wanna step all over us

Lol, dude that didn't make your case. You're not familiar with reading these kinds of things are you?

I'm not going to repeat what numerous people have been telling you already braham.

You've worn out my patience. Vote your conscience.

You want to keep waging this war against our people you just keep on doing so. Eventually WE WILL have our justice.

Vote YES on 19!