Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

[ZeroWingX]

There are many other issues with this prop and I'm noticing that its going to be a very close Ballot either way it goes. So I guess if you all want more issues because you feel this prop is going to make it "legal" and free for all 21+ adault's to access go ahead. Its not going to be what you all think and you will regret it, to bad it will be to late by then... Re- read the prop, actually read it instead of looking at these posts and you will start to see its not all sunshine and giggles...
One Love
:rastasmoke:

ZeroWingX Reviewed by ZeroWingX on 09-30-2010. Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis July 19th, 2010 By: Russ Belville, NORML Outreach Coordinator Share this Article Iâ??ve spent the weekend reading various blogs that have sprouted up in opposition to Proposition 19, Californiaâ??s effort to legalize marijuana this November. These â??Stoners Against Legalizationâ?� blogs confound me; they remind me of Sam Kinisonâ??s line comparing â??Rock Against Drugsâ?� to â??Christians Against Christâ?�. Rating: 5

[leadmagnet]

Zero, you sign off your post "one love".

How about voting "yes" and signing off "a thousand loves" indicative of the lives that won't get screwed over by continuing this "drug war" upon the passing of 19; at least as it relates to cannabis users!!!

[boaz]

Agreed What this guy seems not to realize is you also WONT be able to smaoke outside your home, this to me is more offending than anything else. Your not upset about that? ...

Prop 19 says that any laws that EXIST NOW about smoking in front of minors will NOT BECOME NULLIFIED by Prop 19. NO NEW LAWS. existing laws, if there are any in your town, would not be nullified. no offense but its really not that complicated. do people not understand that?

all this stuff about "new laws" for smoking outside etc., is just plain and simple bullshit. either peoples misunderstanding of the written word or their outright lies trying to mislead voters.

[middieman440]

i dont know about you guys here,but this prop 19 thing is startring to get rediculous,the profit growers are in fear ad say vote no,people say jack didnt want prop 19,me persoanlly i dont care if he did/didnt want it he/us want it 100% free but that will never ever ever ever happen, if something makes money and the people want it the goverment always gets something out of it,.i dont think prop 215 was perfect when if first happend but the people worked together to make it better.....and with prop 19 you/we vote yes get it in action then move towards and correct the things that are wrong...

if you people are so against voting yes i recomend you find another source of income like a job.....

one month away so we will see what happens,california has millions of people compared to the very few people here....


VOTE YES

[boaz]

i dont know about you guys here,but this prop 19 thing is startring to get rediculous,the profit growers are in fear ad say vote no,people say jack didnt want prop 19,me persoanlly i dont care if he did/didnt want it he/us want it 100% free but that will never ever ever ever happen, if something makes money and the people want it the goverment always gets something out of it,.i dont think prop 215 was perfect when if first happend but the people worked together to make it better.....and with prop 19 you/we vote yes get it in action then move towards and correct the things that are wrong...

if you people are so against voting yes i recomend you find another source of income like a job.....

one month away so we will see what happens,california has millions of people compared to the very few people here....


VOTE YES

:greenthumb: I could not agree more. Case in point, California's Senate Bill 420 :stoned: was how the people of California were able to make appropriate changes to Prop 215, such as allowing "not for profit" coops, etc.

And when the local communities tried to force artificial limits on medical gardens the California Supreme Court acted swiftly to correct them and nullified all those laws. They will do it again if needed. They understand that medical use is a voter given right, it can not be taken away by local gov't. and will not be affected in any way by Prop 19. Its fairly straigtforward if you know how to read legal code.

Everyone should read the California Constitution. I love reading it, it is so simple so direct and so powerful. people complain about it being out of control but look what the voters of that State were able to do for medical users in 1996. :greenthumb: I'm sure it has been a tuff slog and will continue to be but the voters of California have all the tools they need to keep pruning and perfecting their own State laws.

But the first step is voting Yes on Prop 19 and germinating the peoples' mandate. Read california's current cannabis laws and visualize nearly all of them being nullified. striked out of existance. that is what Cali Voters can do in few weeks. :smokin:

[ZeroWingX]

:greenthumb: I could not agree more. Case in point, California's Senate Bill 420 :stoned: was how the people of California were able to make appropriate changes to Prop 215, such as allowing "not for profit" coops, etc.

And when the local communities tried to force artificial limits on medical gardens the California Supreme Court acted swiftly to correct them and nullified all those laws. They will do it again if needed. They understand that medical use is a voter given right, it can not be taken away by local gov't. and will not be affected in any way by Prop 19. Its fairly straigtforward if you know how to read legal code.

Everyone should read the California Constitution. I love reading it, it is so simple so direct and so powerful. people complain about it being out of control but look what the voters of that State were able to do for medical users in 1996. :greenthumb: I'm sure it has been a tuff slog and will continue to be but the voters of California have all the tools they need to keep pruning and perfecting their own State laws.

But the first step is voting Yes on Prop 19 and germinating the peoples' mandate. Read california's current cannabis laws and visualize nearly all of them being nullified. striked out of existance. that is what Cali Voters can do in few weeks. :smokin:

Cali Voters can severely mess things up for all medical users and current medical providers. Go read my new post and actually read it. It will address all your so called "yes" counter arguments and hopefully you will start to realize that this isn't just as simple as its legal and no more harassment. There will be EVEN MORE. Now anyone doing grow op can potentially go to jail every time they have a plant outside a 5X5 area, Every time they smoke outside, every time there is a person under 21 present, every time they happen to have a little even 0.1 over an ounce on them, every time they give any medicine to anyone over the age of 21 and is caught (as this is a direct violation and is considered a "sale" that was not taxed and subject to fines to persons involved), Anytime a person under the age of 21 is in possession of marijuana, whether or not you gave it to them (a kid now could blame his dad and get him jailed for not buying him that videogame last week. Yea, that could and probably will happen. Now your 20 year old ex can say you supplied her and guess who the cops are going to believe? Think people...)... To me this isn't freedom, this isn't fair Taxing medication? what is that? And the sad thing is all you are happy as hell about it. Blind leading more blind to the slaughter. Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
One Love...
:rastasmoke:

[boaz]

Cali Voters can severely mess things up for all medical users and current medical providers. Go read my new post and actually read it. It will address all your so called "yes" counter arguments and hopefully you will start to realize that this isn't just as simple as its legal and no more harassment. There will be EVEN MORE. Now anyone doing grow op can potentially go to jail every time they have a plant outside a 5X5 area, Every time they smoke outside, every time there is a person under 21 present, every time they happen to have a little even 0.1 over an ounce on them, every time they give any medicine to anyone over the age of 21 and is caught (as this is a direct violation and is considered a "sale" that was not taxed and subject to fines to persons involved), Anytime a person under the age of 21 is in possession of marijuana, whether or not you gave it to them (a kid now could blame his dad and get him jailed for not buying him that videogame last week. Yea, that could and probably will happen. Now your 20 year old ex can say you supplied her and guess who the cops are going to believe? Think people...)... To me this isn't freedom, this isn't fair Taxing medication? what is that? And the sad thing is all you are happy as hell about it. Blind leading more blind to the slaughter. Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
One Love...
:rastasmoke:

:wtf: do you really think you are "honoring" Jack and Dennis by attaching their names to your lies and mistatements? Do you think the readers of this forum are so stupid that they will believe your lies if you keep telling them over and over and over and try to imply that you are honoring these good men? good luck with this strategy. :jointsmile:

I hate to burst your bubble, sunshine, but you've miscalculated.

I did go re-read this wonderful magical fact filled text that you are referring to and guess what ... its the same old bullshit you've posted before. I was going to give you positive rep anyways for your spirit but then you call me ignorant?? :wtf:

I am not going to debate with you anymore about this issue. continue if you want and try to convice yourself its working. :rastasmoke:

[Ub3rB0ng]

Cali Voters can severely mess things up for all medical users and current medical providers. Go read my new post and actually read it. It will address all your so called "yes" counter arguments and hopefully you will start to realize that this isn't just as simple as its legal and no more harassment. There will be EVEN MORE. Now anyone doing grow op can potentially go to jail every time they have a plant outside a 5X5 area, Every time they smoke outside, every time there is a person under 21 present, every time they happen to have a little even 0.1 over an ounce on them, every time they give any medicine to anyone over the age of 21 and is caught (as this is a direct violation and is considered a "sale" that was not taxed and subject to fines to persons involved), Anytime a person under the age of 21 is in possession of marijuana, whether or not you gave it to them (a kid now could blame his dad and get him jailed for not buying him that videogame last week. Yea, that could and probably will happen. Now your 20 year old ex can say you supplied her and guess who the cops are going to believe? Think people...)... To me this isn't freedom, this isn't fair Taxing medication? what is that? And the sad thing is all you are happy as hell about it. Blind leading more blind to the slaughter. Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
One Love...
:rastasmoke:

lmao, all medications have taxes doofus,pull your head out of your ass and start at least trying to show the world you have some logic,also prop.19 has nothin to do with if your a med license holder or not.215 is totally seperate.wanna talk about blind you should actually try having facts you can prove No wonder the world hates ganja,morons like you are the only types folks see.

[boaz]

... Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
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ZeroWing, I thought you were still talking to me in that post but I guess you were just referring to anyone who would vote yes. I did not read that correctly the first time, my mistake. sorry about that. carry on.

but, still we have pointed out many flaws in that text. I won't say that the author is purposely lieing but it is riddled with mistakes and mistatements. a lot of people have pointed that out before.

but I don't even live in California so you guys do what want. :jointsmile: and I guess I can't give you any more positive rep anyway until I spead some around.

[ZeroWingX]

lmao, all medications have taxes doofus,pull your head out of your ass and start at least trying to show the world you have some logic,also prop.19 has nothin to do with if your a med license holder or not.215 is totally seperate.wanna talk about blind you should actually try having facts you can prove No wonder the world hates ganja,morons like you are the only types folks see.

Oh it does? Because it Cancel's out many of Prop 215's Laws, thus why people like Dennis Peron OPPOSE it to begin with. But good try on sounding smart you almost achieved your goal. Almost.
Go vote yes and screw everything that Activist Fought to obtain all these years, thats a wonderful idea. Let the Government control yet another Aspect of our life, because thats a great idea!
:thumbsup: Goodjob buddy gooood Job