Selling 600w to go LED, need help with PAD/rauber technique

[canniwhatsis]

"i an a skecptic when it comes to led's"

Howzit, LRT?

So was I, brah
The proof is in the budding, yah?

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Ignore the puffery and scrutinize the facts.
LEDs provide colors dat Halide kine, lacks.

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Firs' we water, den we feed.
An' givem jus' da light dey need.
Den, stan' back.
Look-out! Treeweed!

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IMO, leds are great.imp:

No believe.
Investigate!

Burma Shave.

Aloha, Y'all

Weezard

Man them's some Purdy buds Wezz!


I'm going to be trying my first LED flowering. Currently veging under LED, so my plan is to tent off a dark area under my bench and transfer a small girl into it after 12 hours under the LED, this will give me a side by side next to my HPS that I'm flowering under for everybody else. :jointsmile: Only reall problem is the WIFE needs to remember to get the move made every night at 7:15 pm! :stoned:

[Weezard]

Aloha CW

Suggest you set a timer for 7:14, with a honkin' big bell on it, brah.
Wife only has to forget once to mess up da 'speriment.

Den you not happy, wife not happy, an' hempy-gal might go nuts.

Mahalo fo' da kind words.
Information no gotta be boring.
Once ya got da basics covered, all else is style, yah?

"'Always write stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it.'"

I blame my new Maui meds.
'slike smokin' P. J. O'Roarke.

(Bless you O. H.! Way to match da meds to da maniac.)

And Aloha Y'all.
Weeze

[clongo]

temporal photonics myspace is private and I did friend request them but they havent logged in since early september, dogz, could you please pm or email me the pad manual, thanks

[canniwhatsis]

I blame my new Maui meds.
'slike smokin' P. J. O'Roarke.And Aloha Y'all.
Weeze

That's freakin awesome! :thumbsup: I followed that thread from start to finish,.... almost took up the offer too, but life dictates that I couldn't.


The wife knows that she can't F up when we start this experiment, we have plenty of alarms, and I'll be sending her a text from work every day to make sure it gets done! Even if it doesn't, I'm veging 18/6 so the damage should be minimal.:jointsmile:

I want to do a side by side Pure LED/Pure HPS and have 2 blueberry clones (indica dom 9 week finish) that are the same size/age. They've only been in dirt for a short time (about a week) and aren't large enough yet, I'm wanting to vege them another week or so before beginning this experiment.


I know which side I want to win! But in the end it's going to be my patients that decide which is the better bud.

[Dogznova]

temporal photonics myspace is private and I did friend request them but they havent logged in since early september, dogz, could you please pm or email me the pad manual, thanks

I don't have it... The only access I have is on the my space page... Sorry

Sal will be around here soon I would imagine.. He checks in from time to time..

[clongo]

If it wouldnt be too much trouble could you copy the images from the myspace and email them to me I am trying to understand alternate ways to use an hps to produce weight while hitting the thc optimization time rate.

[Dogznova]

They have it set up so you can't copy and paste it....

[clongo]

bummer. could i just ask you questions then, ive pretty much recreated the manual myself from posts you have all made on ty, etc. but i have a few blanks that i need filled in.

What are the blue red and 730 wattages for the 3x3 space at for veg, and full flower, i know it must be very small during preflower and does that wattage scale linearly, like if i wanted to just make a small 3 square foot space would i just make a ratio.

speaking of preflower, would it be better to run a ceramic metal halide 10 hours and use 14 hours sid during stretch to basically eliminate it and speed through into bud setting,

where i could then use an hps or cmh 9hours on and .5/1 660/ 730 pad before going to ripening for weight. or use 6 hours cmh/hps/blue led and 18 PAD to flower and adjust to find the best balance w/ half hour intervals.

one more question. is there an industrial light controlling system capable of handling these timing operations?

[Dogznova]

What are the blue red and 730 wattages for the 3x3 space at for veg, and full flower, i know it must be very small during preflower and does that wattage scale linearly, like if i wanted to just make a small 3 square foot space would i just make a ratio.

That exact info really isn't in the manual.. For a 3 x 3 400w HID equivalent.. I've guessed at 125w of Blue 425nm and 440nm. Aprox 300w of Red 660nm, and you can also use some Red 630nm (because it's cheaper) and for the Far Red aprox 75w.. That's my guess for a 24hr 3 x 3 flowering area.. I know it looks like 500w total, but under the 24hr flowering method that wattage will actually use less then most 12/12 400w HPS setups.. It's kind of tricky to explain, but if you got an understanding on the timing for a 24hr flower. Then it's relatively easy to run the numbers.

speaking of preflower, would it be better to run a ceramic metal halide 10 hours and use 14 hours sid during stretch to basically eliminate it and speed through into bud setting

Starting out 12/12 or 10/14 depending on your strain, will be easer for you as a beginner.. But you still will have to have the timing correct between the three spectrums if your going try 24hr flowering.... Kind of tricky at the present time..

The easiest thing to do and get great results is Raubers substitution method.. Blue led's and Red led's only.. The blue led's stay on for whatever duration of 'on time' your using i.e. 18/6 or even 12/12 and the red 660nm cycles on and off in 1/2 hour cycles during the same 'on time' wile the blue led's are on.. No far red in this mix.. Just Red led's and Blue led's... With this setup you use the same amount of wattage between both colors.. Example 150w Blue led's and 150w Red led's... Or you could run a MH and cycle the 660 on and off every 1/2 hour wile your MH is on.. Same thing..

where i could then use an hps or cmh 9hours on and .5/1 660/ 730 pad before going to ripening for weight. or use 6 hours cmh/hps/blue led and 18 PAD to flower and adjust to find the best balance w/ half hour intervals.

I have not tried any of these timing sequences.. So I don't know..

one more question. is there an industrial light controlling system capable of handling these timing operations?

Sal and Rauber at TP are coming out with a timer.. I'm just waiting to buy one myself..

[clongo]

[quote=Dogznova]That exact info really isn't in the manual.. For a 3 x 3 400w HID equivalent.. I've guessed at 125w of Blue 425nm and 440nm. Aprox 300w of Red 660nm, and you can also use some Red 630nm (because it's cheaper) and for the Far Red aprox 75w.. That's my guess for a 24hr 3 x 3 flowering area.. I know it looks like 500w total, but under the 24hr flowering method that wattage will actually use less then most 12/12 400w HPS setups.. It's kind of tricky to explain, but if you got an understanding on the timing for a 24hr flower. Then it's relatively easy to run the numbers.

i saw the numbers on a different post :thumbsup:




Starting out 12/12 or 10/14 depending on your strain, will be easer for you as a beginner.. But you still will have to have the timing correct between the three spectrums if your going try 24hr flowering.... Kind of tricky at the present time..

The easiest thing to do and get great results is Raubers substitution method.. Blue led's and Red led's only.. The blue led's stay on for whatever duration of 'on time' your using i.e. 18/6 or even 12/12 and the red 660nm cycles on and off in 1/2 hour cycles during the same 'on time' wile the blue led's are on.. No far red in this mix.. Just Red led's and Blue led's... With this setup you use the same amount of wattage between both colors.. Example 150w Blue led's and 150w Red led's... Or you could run a MH and cycle the 660 on and off every 1/2 hour wile your MH is on.. Same thing..

would it be better instead to run 6 mh then 6 GE Reveal 12 SID or should i cycle the reveal during mh instead



would three of the same digital timers work because they would all lose time the same way?