Selling 600w to go LED, need help with PAD/rauber technique

[khyberkitsune]

No sucj thing as full spectrum lighting with LED unless you're emitting every single wavelength. Even white light from LED is not full spectrum.

The Martian Method basically uses IR plus red to stimulate the Emerson Effect.

With LED the IR diodes are NOT needed because a proper LED panel, by its nature, already emits 720-1,000+nm IR. Every visible spec sheet only ever lists 400-700nm and won't go past those, but a proper emission analysis shows plenty of IR coming from the panel already.

If you want quality, overload your plant with damaging blue radiation to trigger mad trichome production and higher levels of THC. UVB isn't even necessary.

[Dogznova]

OK if you say so...:thumbsup:

[Permabaked]

Very interesting. Please do PM me those links.

Also, dogznova, are you building your own panels or using production models?

[Dogznova]

My led 12/12 grows are production models... The Martian Method requires you to build your own from the ground up or buy Red only and Blue only led panels then use black lights for the 730 IR.... Kind of tricky if you ask me...


Looks like there is no PM here...Sorry

[khyberkitsune]

"then use black lights for the 730 IR"

That's really funny. Black lights are made from Woods Glass and thus only allow UVA-410nm light, and 1000+nm IR through. No short-wave IR permitted.

Wood's glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Permabaked]

I have the knowledge to assemble my own panels I just need to know what I should buy.

[Dogznova]

"then use black lights for the 730 IR"

That's really funny. Black lights are made from Woods Glass and thus only allow UVA-410nm light, and 1000+nm IR through. No short-wave IR permitted.

Wood's glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The guys at Temporal Photonics know a little more about Inc Black lights then me..

This page talks about the use of black lights as a FAR RED source in a PAD 24hr Martian setup... Based on your post I don't think you have read the PAD manual... Give it a look see, you might find it interesting...

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[Weezard]

"then use black lights for the 730 IR"

That's really funny. Black lights are made from Woods Glass and thus only allow UVA-410nm light, and 1000+nm IR through. No short-wave IR permitted.

Wood's glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just another wikipedia screw-up.


"The spectra of woods glass passes a small peak from starting at 350 and ending at 400nm. Wratten 18a is based on woods glass but gives a wider peak with better transmittance from 300 to 400nm. However, the IR cut is lower, starting at ~690nm and it peaks at 730nm before tapering off. Woods glass on the other hand begins passing IR at 720nm and has a larger window."


I also have a spectral chart for Wood's glass showing the 730 nm. peak.
I just can't find the chart in my disorganized mess..

Wikipedia is a lousy source.
Do not depend on it.

For instance, I used to be the crown prince of Tuva.
Don't believe that?
Um, give me 22 minutes, then go look it up.

Aloha,
Weez's for Wood's

[khyberkitsune]

Actual post below, laptop trackpad is registering single clicks as double clicks now.

[khyberkitsune]

The guys at Temporal Photonics know a little more about Inc Black lights then me..

This page talks about the use of black lights as a FAR RED source in a PAD 24hr Martian setup... Based on your post I don't think you have read the PAD manual... Give it a look see, you might find it interesting...

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See, now you mention incandescent blacklights. That's the issue that confused me. When you mention a light source, please mention what type of lighting it is. Camera Flashes can count as blacklights since they emit UV radiation. That doesn't make them a blacklight.

All of our company's spectral equipment shows that a good UVA fluorescent blacklight will not show IR until the 1000+ nm range, where it's being caused by the electrodes. Maybe that's because we're only buying high-quality tubes and perhaps that means our tubes have more precise and tuned filtering.

Out of curiosity, why spend the extra cash on a blacklight incandescent when a regular cheap incandescent would work? In fact, for this, if you wanted IR, you're likely better off with halogen lamps. They even throw off UVB radiation so your potency would jump.