10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19

[boaz]

Proposition 19: The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
Title and Summary:

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B. Purposes
1. Reform Californiaâ??s cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state.
2. Regulate cannabis like we do alcohol: Allow adults to possess and consume small amounts of cannabis.
3. Implement a legal regulatory framework to give California more control over the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, and sales of cannabis.
4. Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California.
5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade.
6. Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that cityâ??s limits remain illegal, but that the cityâ??s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

point of info - California Health and Safety Code Section 11362.5 is the law that was put in place under Prop 215, California's Medical Cannabis Prop from 14 years ago. 11362.7 is the SB 420 that the Cali Congress passed a few years later that amended it, assumingly "to further the purposes of the Act"

that seems pretty explicit to me, nothing in this act will affect med users. :twocents:

[boaz]

"nothing in this act will affect med users. "


damn 10 minute limit what I mean is there is nothing that will adversly affect the rights that med user enjoy now. If anything, this will be MUCH better for them because they could purchase their med's over the counter without the need for doctors rec's and being on any lists or databases or anything. everyone wins.

[ages0ne]

Well... to be honest, I have never been a Medicinal User, per say... I've just always enjoyed (as most do) the effects a puff or two can bring. Due to my recent medical problems, did I become interested in trying to become 'recommended' so to become 'legal' and avoid the label of 'criminal'.

IMO, prop 19 does appear beneficial to the state and those currently abiding by state law... however, I don't like the idea of regulatory control once the 'industry' gets going.

I don't know about You all, but my first 'pot' experiences, came with "shwag" or "dirt weed" and was rumored to come from Mexico and just about every bag/sack was littered with seeds. Little did I know at the time, there was a much better quality of herb available and for the most part, us 'kids' were smoking hemp (strain ideally used for industrial purposes)

What I'm getting at is, not long after moving here did I get to try a strain called something like 'Hary/Fire' and this (for me) was by far, the best bud I have ever had the pleasure of smoking. I would hate to see this type of quality vanish, due to the regulations proposed by prop. 19.

I see a bright future ahead for the Cannabis plant and Her users. I believe that with enough Faith and Determination, We will eventually eradicate the prohibition of Cannabis.

Thanks for posting that info boaz. Take Care & God Bless You ALL,


--informed

[boaz]

... We will eventually eradicate the prohibition of Cannabis.
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:jointsmile: well said. welcome.

yeah, I can see everyones point that it would suck if it all become one giant mass produced product and quality slides. I believe there will always be a market for the real quality product, even if people have to pay much more for it. sometimes you feel like steak and lobster and other times mc'd's will work. its just a matter of choice and convenience.

I was a card carrying med user for a while and was in a coop once during the delivery!! :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: this dude came in with the huge plastic bag like mail bag sized full of bud and starts dumping it in the bin on the counter. I gotta believe most of the bud from the big coops are already massively produced in some wherehouse already. I was always happy with their quality but, yeah, the best bud I ever got in Cali was always from a private vendor, so yeah, I say the market should decide all this. may the best bud win. :jointsmile:

[Ub3rB0ng]

Well... to be honest, I have never been a Medicinal User, per say... I've just always enjoyed (as most do) the effects a puff or two can bring. Due to my recent medical problems, did I become interested in trying to become 'recommended' so to become 'legal' and avoid the label of 'criminal'.

IMO, prop 19 does appear beneficial to the state and those currently abiding by state law... however, I don't like the idea of regulatory control once the 'industry' gets going.

I don't know about You all, but my first 'pot' experiences, came with "shwag" or "dirt weed" and was rumored to come from Mexico and just about every bag/sack was littered with seeds. Little did I know at the time, there was a much better quality of herb available and for the most part, us 'kids' were smoking hemp (strain ideally used for industrial purposes)

What I'm getting at is, not long after moving here did I get to try a strain called something like 'Hary/Fire' and this (for me) was by far, the best bud I have ever had the pleasure of smoking. I would hate to see this type of quality vanish, due to the regulations proposed by prop. 19.

I see a bright future ahead for the Cannabis plant and Her users. I believe that with enough Faith and Determination, We will eventually eradicate the prohibition of Cannabis.

Thanks for posting that info boaz. Take Care & God Bless You ALL,


--informed

hehe the term Fire is just a descriptive term for decent weed not a strain dude.:jointsmile:

[ages0ne]

i understand that... I myself have asked friends to 'fire it up', but I wrote that, because that is what was written on the prescription bottle... if I remember correctly, my 'pharmacist' at the time said it was called 'harry faru' er something, but the bottle clearly says 'hary fire'. but yeah, I think one time back in Co, did I receive a sack that was close to the quality I found out here (i.e. plenty of crystals / resin, not too forget the aroma and taste the buds offered). I have always come across buds with the nice crystals and red hairs, but this strain had almost a violet-blue kinda hair found within the buds.

I hope i can gran a recommendation this weekend, and pick up another 1/8 of 'harry fire' if not something as good or better... wish me luck, Peoples

--sober 'n goin' outta his mind

[Gelco1990]

Anyone who believes:

6. Prop 19 will lead to the walmartization of the cannabis industry. And unfortunately, this will result in lower quality and fixed prices. Limited competition and government control will allow large scale growers to determine prices and dictate quality standards (or lack thereof).

Needs to read an economics book. That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

"Walmart" doesnt determine the prices...the comsumers do. The market is simply in equilibrium now so it appears the prices are static, when in reality that is not the case.

Free markets also satisfy the demands of the market place...so if there is an overwhelming demand for high quality product that is what will be produced.

You sir, are INCREDIBLY ignorant when it comes to Economics. I mean you no offense....but dont post this kind of bullshit without atleast taking an intro-business course first.

[budlover13]

:bigsmoke:It is my personal and humble opinion that all 4:20 friendly folk should vote no on prop 19. I know that the tobacco companies have already bought prime farmland in anticipation of cannabis being legalized. I'm a cig smoker and I wish I could quit. Those unsavory characters will ruin the quality, and add chems like they do to cigs. Pot is not addictive from my experience. I have quit several times for long periods of time(over 1 year) but I can't kick the cigs.

[skinzoil]

You guys are so ready to give up the last thing the people actually control and i am sure you guys have normal jobs so you don't give a shit, for our destiny to be left in the hands of you obvious total fuckin dipshits (bigtopsfinn, middleman440, gypski, gelco1990) makes me beyond angry.
You guys just wanna sit there and suck your thumbs while the parasites rape you of our last, extremely important, people controlled comodity.
I will deffinetly be seeing you retards in hell!

[leadmagnet]

Prop 19 won't supersede Prop 215 or SB 420. Prop 19 will compliment them.

Are those who would see us in prison due to their bigotries and hatred of our herb still going to try to do so by misinterpreting the law and attempting to bastardize these kinds of initiatives when they're passed? Well, yeah of course- they've been trying their best to screw us for decades. They are waging a decades long war on our people. Why should these ignorant prohibitionists stop now?

I'm a retired police officer currently working in another position within the field of "criminal justice" and I encourage all to vote yes on prop 19.

Yeah, it'll be a bit of a cluster fu@k while they work out the vague points and discrepancies in the law after it passes- but look at it this way; where would we be now if we were as pesimistic about 215 for cryin out loud?

And yes, it is hard to anticipate what kind of impact the passing of prop 19 will have on those of use who grow and/or participate as medical users. But remember, we're not in this for profit... well, most of us anyway. We do it because we appreciate the herb and all that is positive about it including the relief it provides medically for many within our community.

More importantly though, we can't stand by while our family, friends, neighbors, and associates, are continually criminalized and harassed in the name of this ridiculous "war on drugs" that emphasizes the persecution of cannabis users despite it's widespread use and acceptance.

This "war on drugs" is ridiculous bullsh!t that harms us all; users and non-users alike.

Free the herb. Free OURSELVES! Help keep drugs out of the hands of children.

Vote Yes on Proposition 19.

And yeah, do it for the children.

Lead