Thanks hendo. I was wondering what the time period was and that works out perfect if youve never had any problems. The large ones which were green started about a month ago, and it took me 3 or 4 days to find them. They were almost 2 inches long but my re-veg with unfurling sticky leaves was the perfect camo. The smaller ones, which now seem to be a couple different varities started a week ago, and are much harder to spot but the earlier the better. The poop and i guess ...cacoons?... has caused rot and while i was out of town almost every new growth site was chewed. Its a good place to start looking. I cant pull them off every morning but looking for the poop is like a map. Thanks boys