Quote Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
You keep bringing up Barkowitz.. You do know that was a very extreme case right? Most caregivers are smart enough, at least I hope, to stay under federal limits reguardless of state laws.

You also keep bringing up this "pay to play" BS. What ever happened to building your business from the ground up? Isn't that what America is about? "The American Dream"
I dont have 50k to drop for a dispensary that the DEA may come raid anytime they want.
When I say barkowitz specifically, I am generalizing large scale home grows which, assuming they don't pay the licensing fees for off-site grows, are illegal under 1284/109. That should be obvious, and I'm struggling to understand why you are the only one who doesn't understand what I'm trying to say. I guess you might be the only one to bother speaking up. If so, thank you. Sometimes my thoughts don't get to the keyboard very well.

I say barkowitz because it's easier to say that than to relate the general idea of large scale, now-illegal grows post 1284-109. If you want me to clarify that in every thread I post in, I will. But, it's repetitive and you should understand by now what I am talking about when I use that word. If we disagree on the definitions of a word, get over it, I'm not changing my vocabulary for some random on the internet. I don't expect you to change your ways on my behalf. I just hope we can move past the definitions/illegality problems that you and I have had in the past. This is entirely a different issue than what this thread is discussing, and concentrating on single words and sentences instead of broader ideas. Don't you see how your nit picking of my posts lowers the content quality of the threads? Get over it, please.

It's my position that the vast majority of caregivers (99% maybe?) are for-profit versus non-profit, and also had more than 5 patients/36 plants. It's the only way to NOT lose money. That's not a bad thing, but I guess we are gonna agree to disagree, because I would argue the VAST majority of grows are closer in scale to barkowitz (100's of plants?) versus myself (one plant in veg, few small clones). What's your opinion on that? How many plants and patients did you care for? Did you do it 'for the patient' and not make any profit, or were you 'for profit'? Did you pay sales tax or income tax on the revenue that you generated as a caregiver? Did you have a business?

That's why I say 'barkowitz' when I am referring to similar style, large scale, non-compliant, now-illegal home grow operations. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to people who are currently compliant, I'm trying to save words. I apologize if this post seems snotty, I'm busy today.

edit: regarding pay to play. I'm not happy about it, but if the only way we can operate and remain compliant (and make money) is to pay to play, then so be it.