yep bobjob and others, I'm pretty sure they will be small plants but they do seem to be greening up some more and haven't started setting buds yet...keeping my fingers crossed they will grow a little more before flowering. Next year I will start earlier. I'm just giving them organic fish emulsion to promote new leaves every other watering. Thanks for the help. In years past, they sometimes aren't ready to harvest until end of Oct. here in the hot calif sun. Gotta love it.