Quote Originally Posted by cologrower420
I sincerely appreciate your response, and I think over time, you'll come to realize that we are going to agree on most fronts, except for the semantics/words we each use to define what's going on in this industry as a whole, but who cares about that stupid stuff?

I only have a 'dislike' for those who are non-compliant. I have lots of 'pothead' buddies and co-workers who would love for me to re-sell my meds to them. But fuck them, I am not about to break the law for some random asshole, friend or not. I am interested in remaining compliant moving forward.

That same negativity I will also direct at those who are breaking the law post 1284/109. Those who bitch and moan but can't show evidence that they lobbied or did anything to support their movement have no excuses, and those are the ones who I show 'dislike' for. I think this is why you have a problem with the wording of my posts. The non-compliant assholes will be treated as such moving forward, and until the for-profit growers come together, it is what it is.

I was lucky enough to recently visit a 'commercial grow' as you describe MMC's moving forward. 3 owners, small industrial space, roughly 50 patients. Perpetual grow, harvesting 10-25 plants per week, I won't get into specifics, but their product is as good or better than anything I've found in 99% of MMC's. However, I'd like to note that the bigger MMC's such as wellspring/releaf/cannamart, always have similar top 1% quality product. My point is that there are compliant home growers who paid the license fees, submitted the app with personal info etc, and are operating larger scale grows but still growing quality medicine. Maybe you haven't visited the right MMC. I have been to roughly 100 dispensaries/MMC's, and this is the first truly legitimate grow that I've seen. However, I can't fault any MMC for not showing me (as a patient) their grows. That's ridiculous.

It's silly for you to lump all MMC's together. I visited a newly opened MMC north of the tech center, and it's a total amateur shop. Those are the MMC's who you should hate, not the ones who actually carry good meds and are knowledgeable about the product from start to finish. That's the point/distinction that I feel that you are missing when I post pro-MMC things. For every good MMC, there are ten bad ones. But it seems to me that you fail to acknowledge that there are actually legitimate MMC's operating, which undermines your credibility. That's not an insult to you, I would be offended at those who want to buy in to make a buck as well. Those who move here to open MMC's/grows etc.

Regarding these MMC's lobbying for the 5 patient cap. Until you or someone else can provide proof otherwise, I will continue to blame this legislation on the fact that the state department of revenue(cook and company) realized
how much revenue they were NOT collecting, and acted accordingly. When barkowitz went on 9news and bragged about making a half million the year before, cook probably looked into it, saw the taxes the asshole wasn't paying, and called in the feds. And that was a single grow. In my opinion, if he doesn't get busted, we don't have a 5 patient cap. 1284/109 has NOTHING to do with MMC's, it has to do with the dept of revenue collecting taxes on for-profit caregivers, and nothing more. As long as you're willing to 'pay to play', you're fine. The feds will be busy busting non-compliant grows before bothering to bust compliant MMC's.

Regarding selling overages. As I understand it, patients can still sell meds to each other, right? So as far as 'selling overages', as long as you're not selling more than 2 ounces at a time you'll be fine right? I would take the position that if you have a lot more than 2 ounces of overage, then you are probably closer to a commercial grow and should be licensed etc. Do you disagree? Again, I don't have any experience with large scale grows etc, I only have experience as a patient. That's slowly changing.
I don't believe I have lumped all MMC's together, just the majority.
Yes, there are a handful of good dispensaries. The problem I have is, it doesn't have to be like that.

Well you can see a small glimmer of proof, of lobbing, if you look at the Westword article exposing the man, forgot his name, who was appointed to represent the patients on the advisory committee.

Quote Originally Posted by cologrower420
1284/109 has NOTHING to do with MMC's, it has to do with the dept of revenue collecting taxes on for-profit caregivers, and nothing more.
False. I don't see how you came to this conclusion even including "and nothing more" as if you're certain.
1284 created MMC's and limits caregivers. Read it.
There will be no more caregivers climbing the ranks and having the opportunity to open a dispensary because they are producing good meds. There will be plenty of rich kids droping 50k thinking "how hard could it be". Thats my problem. 1284/109 has everything to do with MMC's, its what created them. Its also what is forcing MMC's to be out of federal compliance and at the same time making them sign away all their rights and power of attorney.

As far as overages go 1284 says this..
(2) IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO BUY, SELL, TRANSFER, GIVE
AWAY, OR ACQUIRE MEDICAL MARIJUANA EXCEPT AS ALLOWED PURSUANT
TO THIS ARTICLE.
Another way they are trying to put caregivers out of business.