How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released

[boulderbud5525]

all wannabeagrower420 does is start a thread, people post on the topic, then he starts his instigating crap to get people riled up and once again plays the innocent "I'm just trying to understand" card.
He condemns people who aren't compliant with the money backed law that was passed. This is about the freedom to partake in a plant that was put on this earth to help us. Don't condemn people who still have to smoke with the threat of arrest over their head. Most of us have lived with that threat our entire lives, and thanks to the wisdom of the colo voters many of us can now legally partake. Have some compassion for those who can't qualify legally to smoke and must remain illegal because you were once one of those that you now condemn!!!:wtf:

boulderbud5525 Reviewed by boulderbud5525 on 08-04-2010. How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released According to the CBS 4 Denver and The Denver Post: More Than 2,000 Want Colo. Marijuana Licenses - cbs4denver.com 2059 TOTAL 717 Dispensaries 1071 Growers Rating: 5

[COzigzag]

I don't see any reason for the name calling. It's juvenile, and you post here enough that you should know better, and be above such childish behavior. You can look down your nose and judge me all you want, but please don't degrade yourself to sophomoric insults.

Just had to laugh.

You're scolding him for being childish and, at the same time, you're insulting him right back.

:wtf:

[cologrower420]

all wannabeagrower420 does is start a thread, people post on the topic, then he starts his instigating crap to get people riled up and once again plays the innocent "I'm just trying to understand" card.
He condemns people who aren't compliant with the money backed law that was passed. This is about the freedom to partake in a plant that was put on this earth to help us. Don't condemn people who still have to smoke with the threat of arrest over their head. Most of us have lived with that threat our entire lives, and thanks to the wisdom of the colo voters many of us can now legally partake. Have some compassion for those who can't qualify legally to smoke and must remain illegal because you were once one of those that you now condemn!!!:wtf:

I don't wish to break the law, and I don't want anyone else to break the law, either. If you don't like the law, then take actions to change it, don't sit and complain.

If you don't like me 'condemning' people who are non-compliant and BREAKING THE LAW, fine. I don't really care. Feel free to ignore my posts.

I don't buy your argument that people somehow 'must remain illegal'. Are you talking large scale grows? Are you talking sick people seeking medicine? How can a sick person NOT have chronic pain associated with their sickness? How can someone who is as sick as you say NOT qualify for a red card?

I have compassion for those who get compliant. There are places that will subsidize the cost of the application process, so please feel free to point out to me a good reason why someone would remain illegal. Only lazy potheads are upset about being compliant.

Are you referring to patients or caregivers? It's an important distinction.

You're right, I was illegal at one time. But now that it's legal, I don't have any tolerance for the lazy asses who want to keep doing whatever they want, and not pay to play.

How many of your grower buddies ever paid any taxes on the revenue you generated? You were cheating the system, and the only people who should be mad moving forward are the people who still want to cheat the system. Screw those guys, and apologies if it includes you or your non compliant stoner buddies.

[cologrower420]

Just had to laugh.

You're scolding him for being childish and, at the same time, you're insulting him right back.

:wtf:

Making an observation on how I perceive someone's behavior is a little different than actually insulting someone. I'm sure it's semantics though. Feel free to report me to the mods. If I have broken the posting rules than I'll be reprimanded. I don't feel that my post is in ANY way a personal insult or attack. Feel free to explain to me how I'm wrong.

[SprngsCaregiver]

I sincerely appreciate your response, and I think over time, you'll come to realize that we are going to agree on most fronts, except for the semantics/words we each use to define what's going on in this industry as a whole, but who cares about that stupid stuff?

I only have a 'dislike' for those who are non-compliant. I have lots of 'pothead' buddies and co-workers who would love for me to re-sell my meds to them. But fuck them, I am not about to break the law for some random asshole, friend or not. I am interested in remaining compliant moving forward.

That same negativity I will also direct at those who are breaking the law post 1284/109. Those who bitch and moan but can't show evidence that they lobbied or did anything to support their movement have no excuses, and those are the ones who I show 'dislike' for. I think this is why you have a problem with the wording of my posts. The non-compliant assholes will be treated as such moving forward, and until the for-profit growers come together, it is what it is.

I was lucky enough to recently visit a 'commercial grow' as you describe MMC's moving forward. 3 owners, small industrial space, roughly 50 patients. Perpetual grow, harvesting 10-25 plants per week, I won't get into specifics, but their product is as good or better than anything I've found in 99% of MMC's. However, I'd like to note that the bigger MMC's such as wellspring/releaf/cannamart, always have similar top 1% quality product. My point is that there are compliant home growers who paid the license fees, submitted the app with personal info etc, and are operating larger scale grows but still growing quality medicine. Maybe you haven't visited the right MMC. I have been to roughly 100 dispensaries/MMC's, and this is the first truly legitimate grow that I've seen. However, I can't fault any MMC for not showing me (as a patient) their grows. That's ridiculous.

It's silly for you to lump all MMC's together. I visited a newly opened MMC north of the tech center, and it's a total amateur shop. Those are the MMC's who you should hate, not the ones who actually carry good meds and are knowledgeable about the product from start to finish. That's the point/distinction that I feel that you are missing when I post pro-MMC things. For every good MMC, there are ten bad ones. But it seems to me that you fail to acknowledge that there are actually legitimate MMC's operating, which undermines your credibility. That's not an insult to you, I would be offended at those who want to buy in to make a buck as well. Those who move here to open MMC's/grows etc.

Regarding these MMC's lobbying for the 5 patient cap. Until you or someone else can provide proof otherwise, I will continue to blame this legislation on the fact that the state department of revenue(cook and company) realized
how much revenue they were NOT collecting, and acted accordingly. When barkowitz went on 9news and bragged about making a half million the year before, cook probably looked into it, saw the taxes the asshole wasn't paying, and called in the feds. And that was a single grow. In my opinion, if he doesn't get busted, we don't have a 5 patient cap. 1284/109 has NOTHING to do with MMC's, it has to do with the dept of revenue collecting taxes on for-profit caregivers, and nothing more. As long as you're willing to 'pay to play', you're fine. The feds will be busy busting non-compliant grows before bothering to bust compliant MMC's.

Regarding selling overages. As I understand it, patients can still sell meds to each other, right? So as far as 'selling overages', as long as you're not selling more than 2 ounces at a time you'll be fine right? I would take the position that if you have a lot more than 2 ounces of overage, then you are probably closer to a commercial grow and should be licensed etc. Do you disagree? Again, I don't have any experience with large scale grows etc, I only have experience as a patient. That's slowly changing.

I don't believe I have lumped all MMC's together, just the majority.
Yes, there are a handful of good dispensaries. The problem I have is, it doesn't have to be like that.

Well you can see a small glimmer of proof, of lobbing, if you look at the Westword article exposing the man, forgot his name, who was appointed to represent the patients on the advisory committee.

1284/109 has NOTHING to do with MMC's, it has to do with the dept of revenue collecting taxes on for-profit caregivers, and nothing more.

False. I don't see how you came to this conclusion even including "and nothing more" as if you're certain.
1284 created MMC's and limits caregivers. Read it.
There will be no more caregivers climbing the ranks and having the opportunity to open a dispensary because they are producing good meds. There will be plenty of rich kids droping 50k thinking "how hard could it be". Thats my problem. 1284/109 has everything to do with MMC's, its what created them. Its also what is forcing MMC's to be out of federal compliance and at the same time making them sign away all their rights and power of attorney.

As far as overages go 1284 says this..

(2) IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO BUY, SELL, TRANSFER, GIVE
AWAY, OR ACQUIRE MEDICAL MARIJUANA EXCEPT AS ALLOWED PURSUANT
TO THIS ARTICLE.

Another way they are trying to put caregivers out of business.

[SprngsCaregiver]

I would take the position that if you have a lot more than 2 ounces of overage, then you are probably closer to a commercial grow and should be licensed etc. Do you disagree? Again, I don't have any experience with large scale grows etc, I only have experience as a patient. That's slowly changing.

About this... If I grow 1 plant correctly I generally get about a QP (4oz) So I'm over at harvest from 1 plant.
So yes, I strongly disagree.

[cologrower420]

I don't believe I have lumped all MMC's together, just the majority.
Yes, there are a handful of good dispensaries. The problem I have is, it doesn't have to be like that.

Well you can see a small glimmer of proof, of lobbing, if you look at the Westword article exposing the man, forgot his name, who was appointed to represent the patients on the advisory committee.

False. I don't see how you came to this conclusion even including "and nothing more" as if you're certain.
1284 created MMC's and limits caregivers. Read it.
There will be no more caregivers climbing the ranks and having the opportunity to open a dispensary because they are producing good meds. There will be plenty of rich kids droping 50k thinking "how hard could it be". Thats my problem. 1284/109 has everything to do with MMC's, its what created them. Its also what is forcing MMC's to be out of federal compliance and at the same time making them sign away all their rights and power of attorney.

As far as overages go 1284 says this..

Another way they are trying to put caregivers out of business.

Let's talk taxes for a moment, and perhaps you'll see where I'm coming from.

You see guys like mattcook, in charge of the department of revenue. You see our struggling economy, and you also see other states such as California struggling to survive.

Then, you see reports of large scale home growers such as barkowitz bragging about making a million bucks. Do you really think the department of revenue ignored that story? Don't you think it's feasible that they checked his income, it didn't match his story, they saw he was breaking federal drug laws, and busted him?

How can you ignore this? It seems apparent to me that this legislation maximizes the revenue generated for the state. It transfers the enforcement to the dept. of revenue instead of health (right?), it ensures revenue generation via licensing fees (right)? Seems to me, the large scale, for profit caregivers were not paying their fair share of taxes on the revenue generated. I don't remember every paying a drug dealer sales tax. Don't you see that the dept. of revenue saw all of these large scale private grows, realized how much money those growers were making (and the sales taxes they WEREN'T paying), and that the wording of this legislation ensures that?

I don't understand how you can possibly take the position that MMC's had something to do with this. MMC's/dispensaries/whatever term you want are spending money to remain compliant. I don't understand how you can say that they had a say or whatever anti-MMC argument you hold. It's just weird, and I still haven't heard a good reason to hate the good MMC's. It seems that you'd rather judge them all as bad instead of paying attention to the good ones.

Assuming you are correct and the 'rich kids' are the only ones opening MMC's moving forward, then hopefully no one buys their low quality product. Maybe they get lucky and hire the right grower, and it's the next releaf or wellspring. I don't have a problem with someone like that opening an MMC, assuming THEY FOLLOW THE LAW. What's wrong with competition if you're so sure of your quality? That's what I don't get about this seemingly adversarial relationship between home grows and dispensaries. It just seems that MMC's are the easiest target. It's been said before, there are VERY few people who are in this industry without blood on your hands.

[cologrower420]

About this... If I grow 1 plant correctly I generally get about a QP (4oz) So I'm over at harvest from 1 plant.
So yes, I strongly disagree.

If you are a caregiver, then you should only be providing medicine to your patients. If you are growing over on purpose, than you are for profit, that's the bottom line.

I will readily admit that at harvest time, most growers could easily be out of compliance. But unless your door gets busted down at that moment, it's pretty much a non-issue right?

I'm not saying it's wrong to disagree like you are, I'm just saying is it worth the trouble to get pissed over? Keep your 5 patients, don't flower more than 3 plants, and watch your yield if your crop is large.

[copobo]

If you are a caregiver, then you should only be providing medicine to your patients. If you are growing over on purpose, than you are for profit, that's the bottom line.

I will readily admit that at harvest time, most growers could easily be out of compliance. But unless your door gets busted down at that moment, it's pretty much a non-issue right?

I'm not saying it's wrong to disagree like you are, I'm just saying is it worth the trouble to get pissed over? Keep your 5 patients, don't flower more than 3 plants, and watch your yield if your crop is large.

are you gonna pop some seeds soon? do a first timers grow log?

[SprngsCaregiver]

Let's talk taxes for a moment, and perhaps you'll see where I'm coming from.

You see guys like mattcook, in charge of the department of revenue. You see our struggling economy, and you also see other states such as California struggling to survive.

Then, you see reports of large scale home growers such as barkowitz bragging about making a million bucks. Do you really think the department of revenue ignored that story? Don't you think it's feasible that they checked his income, it didn't match his story, they saw he was breaking federal drug laws, and busted him?

How can you ignore this? It seems apparent to me that this legislation maximizes the revenue generated for the state. It transfers the enforcement to the dept. of revenue instead of health (right?), it ensures revenue generation via licensing fees (right)? Seems to me, the large scale, for profit caregivers were not paying their fair share of taxes on the revenue generated. I don't remember every paying a drug dealer sales tax. Don't you see that the dept. of revenue saw all of these large scale private grows, realized how much money those growers were making (and the sales taxes they WEREN'T paying), and that the wording of this legislation ensures that?

I don't understand how you can possibly take the position that MMC's had something to do with this. MMC's/dispensaries/whatever term you want are spending money to remain compliant. I don't understand how you can say that they had a say or whatever anti-MMC argument you hold. It's just weird, and I still haven't heard a good reason to hate the good MMC's. It seems that you'd rather judge them all as bad instead of paying attention to the good ones.

Assuming you are correct and the 'rich kids' are the only ones opening MMC's moving forward, then hopefully no one buys their low quality product. Maybe they get lucky and hire the right grower, and it's the next releaf or wellspring. I don't have a problem with someone like that opening an MMC, assuming THEY FOLLOW THE LAW. What's wrong with competition if you're so sure of your quality? That's what I don't get about this seemingly adversarial relationship between home grows and dispensaries. It just seems that MMC's are the easiest target. It's been said before, there are VERY few people who are in this industry without blood on your hands.

If all they wanted was taxes then they would have just required CAREGIVERS to pay taxes and regulated caregivers, not created a new entity the MMC.

Compitition? LOL To me it seems that's what Matt Cook and his buddies are trying to get rid of. I have nothing against compitition but why do I need to have +/- 50K to compete? To me it sounds like they are the ones afraid of compitition. Hence the put the caregiver out of business strategy.