Can u help a brother out?

[cologrower420]

I don't think I commented on MMC's operating outside federal drugs laws, I'm not sure why you're using the 16 patient count rule. All marijuana is illegal federally, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say with the 99plant max and MMC's only operating 16 patients.

I'm still not sure what your points are, we can't seem to get past you being insulted at me.

I don't really care.

If you consider the term 'caregiver' to include people currently non-compliant with state law, then we can't agree on much more. I would argue that your definition of caregiver needs to be updated with this new legislation. I'm just trying to be precise, you're acting like a child by insisting that all people who grow pot are automatically NOT ALLOWED to be bad people, such as someone who operates a meth lab.

I consider you to be a caregiver. If Bartkowicz got busted tomorrow, I wouldn't call him a caregiver, and I would caution you doing the same, due to all of the negativity surrounding this in Colorado right now. Do you also consider Bartkowicz to be a caregiver if he was busted tomorrow?

I'm just asking for us to be precise. Your assumptions and interpretations of what caregiver means are preventing you from getting passed that and having a simple conversation.

You're still pissed that I compared caregivers to meth labs. I still haven't seen you address anything related to these two examples. Now that I've spent 100 posts getting this example, would you mind answering it? You seem so enraged by the subject of the original post, I tried to tweak it to get the answer I was looking for, and you're still talking about my original comment and the exact words that I used.

We're passed the fact that we don't see eye to eye on what the word 'caregiver' means. I'm trying to get to how authorities will enforce this new legislation, etc. I'm not personally attacking you. I question that you comprehend my posts. That's not an insult. I could easily be doing it wrong, so don't be offended. That's why I have tried to give a few different examples, but it seems we're still on the original complaint, which is your assumption that I compared legal to illegal.

I am interested in comparing illegal to illegal. Do you understand? That's why these stupid posts get deleted.

I am asking and looking to have a discussion about a very specific thing. If you think I am trolling, I am trying to generate discussion about a topic that is important to me and others here, I assume.

For example, if you had simply got over your initial rage of thinking I called you growers meth heads, or something, and just posted your opinion, then I could have what I want, which is a lighthearted discussion or debate on current social policies. I'm bored at work. Instead, I try to have a discussion, you post what a moron I am for comparing 'meth lab operators' to caregivers. I always tried to set this example using a situation where two places got busted, presumably by the dea. A meth lab, and a guy growing 99+ plants. Both illegal in the eyes of state and federal drug laws.

Get it?

Here is the simple question: Would those two examples be treated the same, differently? Why?

I just used an example without the term caregiver, can I get an answer from you now?

[cologrower420]

It also makes MMC's non compliant according to federal law. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

MMC's, caregivers, and anyone else related to this industry has always been illegal and therefore not in compliance.

Why do you think I don't understand this?

Is it your opinion that if a caregiver is legal under Colorado law, then the illegality of the federal law doesn't apply?

I'm confused. Do you live your life as if state law trumps federal law? It seems like you are arguing that caregivers have been legal at some point in the past. They haven't because marijuana is still illegal. Do you disagree with that?

Are you aware that I also would never lump a state compliant caregiver or grow with a meth lab right? Do you understand that? I think you realize that I wasn't trying to make that distinction, you'll be nicer.

While we both can agree that most caregivers are definitely not on a level as a methlab operator, I am trying to make the point that to the authorities, non-compliant grow operations could be treated the same as methlabs, assuming we are discussing two examples where they have already been busted. I'm not commenting on the culture of either drug or anything like that.

[SprngsCaregiver]

If you consider the term 'caregiver' to include people currently non-compliant with state law, then we can't agree on much more. I would argue that your definition of caregiver needs to be updated with this new legislation. I'm just trying to be precise, you're acting like a child by insisting that all people who grow pot are automatically NOT ALLOWED to be bad people, such as someone who operates a meth lab.

Why do you continue to insult me and then try to tell me I'm the one insulting you?

I consider you to be a caregiver. If Bartkowicz got busted tomorrow, I wouldn't call him a caregiver, and I would caution you doing the same, due to all of the negativity surrounding this in Colorado right now. Do you also consider Bartkowicz to be a caregiver if he was busted tomorrow?

Yes, if he had paperwork to grow for all those patients he was a caregiver. znot a very smart one but, he was in no different possition than the government is putting all MMC's in. An illegal one.

I'm just asking for us to be precise. Your assumptions and interpretations of what caregiver means are preventing you from getting passed that and having a simple conversation.

My interpretation of a caregiver comes from the Colorado Constitution article 18 section 14. Where do you get yours?

You're still pissed that I compared caregivers to meth labs. I still haven't seen you address anything related to these two examples. Now that I've spent 100 posts getting this example, would you mind answering it? You seem so enraged by the subject of the original post, I tried to tweak it to get the answer I was looking for, and you're still talking about my original comment and the exact words that I used.

Illegal is illegal you know that. You just want to continue to insult people.

We're passed the fact that we don't see eye to eye on what the word 'caregiver' means. I'm trying to get to how authorities will enforce this new legislation, etc. I'm not personally attacking you. I question that you comprehend my posts. That's not an insult. I could easily be doing it wrong, so don't be offended. That's why I have tried to give a few different examples, but it seems we're still on the original complaint, which is your assumption that I compared legal to illegal.

I am interested in comparing illegal to illegal. Do you understand? That's why these stupid posts get deleted.

It's all illegal under federal law so if you're going to put non compliant growers in with the meth cooks they why arent you attaching MMC's also?

I am asking and looking to have a discussion about a very specific thing. If you think I am trolling, I am trying to generate discussion about a topic that is important to me and others here, I assume.

Seems more like you just throwing around insults. Every chance you get you compare growers to meth labs. Why? my guess is to get under peoples skin.

For example, if you had simply got over your initial rage of thinking I called you growers meth heads, or something, and just posted your opinion, then I could have what I want, which is a lighthearted discussion or debate on current social policies. I'm bored at work. Instead, I try to have a discussion, you post what a moron I am for comparing 'meth lab operators' to caregivers. I always tried to set this example using a situation where two places got busted, presumably by the dea. A meth lab, and a guy growing 99+ plants. Both illegal in the eyes of state and federal drug laws.

LOL rage.. One more time for you. Under the Colorado Constitution caregivers have no patient limit.

Get it?

Yes and I've gone over this with you multiple times. Maybe you keep acting like nobody has discussed this with you because you know all the posts were deleted? I'm not real sure why you keep playing damsel in distress.

Here is the simple question: Would those two examples be treated the same, differently? Why?

LOL wow lets try this again.... Yes they would both more than likely be treated the same. BUT so would MMC's because under federal law they will be operating illegally if they have more than 16 patients. Why you would the annology of a meth lab in the MJ field is just disturbing.

[SprngsCaregiver]

MMC's, caregivers, and anyone else related to this industry has always been illegal and therefore not in compliance.

Why do you think I don't understand this?

Is it your opinion that if a caregiver is legal under Colorado law, then the illegality of the federal law doesn't apply?

The feds wont prosecute unless you are at 99+ So yes. Now the state is forcing MMC's to be non compliant federally with the 70% rule. That was my point.. You can go ahead and put the MMC's in with the non compliant growers because federally they are just that. I would never use your annology of the meth lab though.

I'm confused. Do you live your life as if state law trumps federal law? It seems like you are arguing that caregivers have been legal at some point in the past. They haven't because marijuana is still illegal. Do you disagree with that?

Are you joking?

Are you aware that I also would never lump a state compliant caregiver or grow with a meth lab right? Do you understand that? I think you realize that I wasn't trying to make that distinction, you'll be nicer.

Nicer? You're the one making the insults LOL

While we both can agree that most caregivers are definitely not on a level as a methlab operator, I am trying to make the point that to the authorities, non-compliant grow operations could be treated the same as methlabs, assuming we are discussing two examples where they have already been busted. I'm not commenting on the culture of either drug or anything like that.

As could MMC's but why associate either with meth?????

[TheReleafCenter]

It also makes MMC's non compliant according to federal law. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Technically, any cultivation of marijuana is illegal under federal law, the penalty is just higher if you have more than 99 plants. Even if you're under 99, you can still be penalized, see the below link:

Medical Marijuana Advocates Protest Recent DEA Raids in MI & CA (Page 1) - Online Media Buzz - ASA Forum

[SprngsCaregiver]

Technically, any cultivation of marijuana is illegal under federal law, the penalty is just higher if you have more than 99 plants. Even if you're under 99, you can still be penalized, see the below link:

Medical Marijuana Advocates Protest Recent DEA Raids in MI & CA (Page 1) - Online Media Buzz - ASA Forum

From my experience the DEA will not prosecute if you have 98 or under. 99 is their magic number. (What they feel they can win with in court) Where did you read that any of these busts were under 98?

[SprngsCaregiver]

Technically, any cultivation of marijuana is illegal under federal law, the penalty is just higher if you have more than 99 plants. Even if you're under 99, you can still be penalized, see the below link:

Medical Marijuana Advocates Protest Recent DEA Raids in MI & CA (Page 1) - Online Media Buzz - ASA Forum

[edit] I take that back... I did say 99+[/edit]

[TheReleafCenter]

From my experience the DEA will not prosecute if you have 98 or under. 99 is their magic number. (What they feel they can win with in court) Where did you read that any of these busts were under 98?

That was poorly worded on my part. They busted someone at 99.

What is your experience with the DEA?

[SprngsCaregiver]

That was poorly worded on my part. They busted someone at 99.

What is your experience with the DEA?

I've been growing for a long time. I've seen alot of people/friends catch cases. I got lucky... Thats actually why I moved to CO.. To get away from the scene. But here I am lol.. Legal now though. Well according to the state. :jointsmile:

[cologrower420]

I've been growing for a long time. I've seen alot of people/friends catch cases. I got lucky... Thats actually why I moved to CO.. To get away from the scene. But here I am lol.. Legal now though. Well according to the state. :jointsmile:

I'm going to reply to your response to me, but I would like you to know a couple of things.

When you take a single question, sentence or statement from one of my posts and then reply to it, I feel as if you are taking it totally out of context sometimes. In the future, it would be very helpful if you would quote my entire post and reply accordingly. Maybe put asterisks or numbers (1) (2) etc to note what you are replying to. I feel like you are trolling me and taking each individual statement and analyzing that, which is hard for me to respond to. I don't think you are doing this intentionally, that's just how you're coming off to me.

I apologize if you feel that you are being insulted, but I don't personally think the statement, 'stop acting like a child' is an insult. It's a statement I used to describe your actions in a particular instance, not a personal attack. I guess we can agree to disagree, or I'll get warned from a mod. Again, apologies. I don't post here unless I feel I am in compliance with the posting rules. I got banned for a week for my first post here for an email infraction, so I am not interested, at all, in making a post that includes a personal attack. I hope that makes sense. I still appreciate you engaging me so far.

I'll respond to the rest when I get a moment.

edit: When I make a post, it would be helpful if you addressed everything I posted, instead of cherry picking individual statements to judge me on. I still feel as if you are ignoring questions that I have asked you multiple times. Thanks.