thanks bulster...yes they do have drain holes and drain well.sounds like you are right on the money.i had them in black plastic buckets in the heat on a metal shelf...oops.i havent done this since i was young so i have a bit to learn.after i moved them they are doing better except the one is not doing good but is still kicking,is there anything i should do to that one in particular to get it healthy again? thank you for the advice...