One Brown Mouse

[onebrownmouse]

[quote=HighPopalorum]Shit, maybe Kathleen is right on this one. (re: cameras) That article makes it appear so, at least. I'd be very interested to know where said cameras will be installed, at whose expense, what agencies have access and under what circumstances. Patient confidentiality is protected explicitly by A20, and this would seem a de facto, if not de jure, breach if the cameras are placed in areas where patients are recorded.[/QUOTE

You clearly type to see yourself type, because most things you say are wrong or anti American and anti freedom.

Call Matt Cook and ask him yourself or call any reputable attorney who has talked to Matt Cook or the MMBusiness Alliance or Cannabis Therapy Institute and quit guessing out loud. Your ignorance misleads others. But maybe thats your game. Maybe your not on our team. Maybe your job is to mislead.

At whose expense? The MMC's of course. It will come out of the list of fee's to run and monitor the program that get created per HB1284 in the next year. -AGAIN--it is not called amendment 20 once we voted on it. It's Section 18 Article 14 of the CO Constitution.

The cameras will be in every (not protected by the CO Constitution) MMC on the cannabis, clones and the money and at every grow for a MMC. Patient confidentiality has been thrown to the wind as all sales will be recorded with a swipe of a statewide card system that goes to the dept of rev. along with the video as patients have to pay for their purchases. What patients buy and from where will be recorded. Confidential medical records aren't even a right in CO as attorneys have told me they are a privilege and can be stomped on. Before you reply that I am full of shit or exaggerating or conspiratorial -- look it up.

HB1284 and SB109 are un constitutional, un American, un just and just plain evil.

[onebrownmouse]

Ok so lets compare the MMJ application to the application for a pharmacy. http://www.dora.state.co.us/pharmacy...pplication.pdf

Then for a pharmaceutical wholesale license. http://www.dora.state.co.us/pharmacy...pplication.pdf

You really don't see a problem here?

Note this on the wholesale application.

But when it comes to distributing a plant you're SOL.
I don't have any felonies so I'm not just a bitter drug dealer, but apparently if I was just a bitter drug dealer there is always the possibility of selling pharmaceuticals.

Thank you. Thank god ssome of us are still freedom fighting Americans.

[onebrownmouse]

Shit, maybe Kathleen is right on this one. (re: cameras) That article makes it appear so, at least. I'd be very interested to know where said cameras will be installed, at whose expense, what agencies have access and under what circumstances. Patient confidentiality is protected explicitly by A20, and this would seem a de facto, if not de jure, breach if the cameras are placed in areas where patients are recorded.

A20 doesn't exist -- It's Article 18 Section 14 of the CO Constitution.

And the constitution protects caregivers and patients. It was okay for you to tell me the other day that I was NOT a caregiver but an MMC --which is un constitutional and more BS and today your touting patient confidentiality is protected.

Interesting how some parts of the constitution you uphold and others you don't. Your clearly not on the team of fairness, justice or freedom for all.

[HighPopalorum]

And the constitution protects caregivers and patients. It was okay for you to tell me the other day that I was NOT a caregiver but an MMC --which is un constitutional and more BS and today your touting patient confidentiality is protected.

My reading of A20 indicates that the privacy of patients and caregivers is protected. What is at issue is whether you (in your capacity as OBM) are a caregiver or something different altogether. To my mind, commercial growers and retailers like yourself should be subjected to closer regulation because they are different than a caregiver who treats only a few patients. To allow large businesses with hundreds of patients and millions in revenue to operate outside of the state's regulatory system, as if they were the same as caregivers growing at home with less than five patients is folly. I do not see anything hypocritical or unconstitutional about that.

[cologrower420]

I think there are two types of MMC operators/owners in Colorado.

The first type is the big money operators with little to no experience with growing. Basically large scale big money operations. When I ask a MMC operator whether their extract is full or half melt hash, their response is telling.

For example, eric at hatch has no idea what the difference is between chemical, icewater or mechanical separation of different types of hash. In his ill informed opinion, he thinks all the hash he sells is full melt. Wrong. He loses credibility with me for that, so I would never trust him to sell clones or have other knowledge. Other people that fit this mold would be Budding Health in the tech center, the guy at santa fe and happy canyon, etc. They just don't know enough about their products and they still act like experts.

On the other side of the spectrum are places like wellspring and releaf, delta and CAM. The vast majority of their employees are knowledgable and care about the medicine. These are the types of people to buy clones from or otherwise seek knowledge.

I guess I'm trying to say that your attacks might be better suited to other people in this MMC arena, not releaf. They seem to be doing it 'right'. I'll still buy from any of the MMC's I've listed, but if I am seeking knowledge it's different. But I'm not really talking to you specifically, just the anti-MMC crowd.

Agree to disagree and all that.

[HighPopalorum]

I am NOT a commercial grower and never was.

How are you not a commercial grower? I assume you grow some or all of the medicine you retail in Nederland.

The courts will rule as they already have on limiting caregivers.

The courts will weigh in on that aspect of the law when it is challenged. That's their job, and I believe they will do it well. There are a number of challenges to parts of the new law, and more are on the way. I encourage you to mount your own legal campaign if you feel you have grounds. We should challenge laws we feel are unjust!

[Psycho4Bud]

I wish we had these issues to bitch about in Wisconsin.

NOW lets get to the grit of the situation. PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE!!! IF you can't debate an issue without having to tell somebody to go fuck themselves or throw petty insults don't waste your time typing! Warnings are past out.....then a short ban...then longer and longer bans till WE say screw this shit and do it for life.

Personally, I'd just state that I didn't agree with reasons, log out and find something else to do that didn't piss me off. Hell, piss fests are deleted so why waste the time?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[cologrower420]

I wish we had these issues to bitch about in Wisconsin.

NOW lets get to the grit of the situation. PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE!!! IF you can't debate an issue without having to tell somebody to go fuck themselves or throw petty insults don't waste your time typing! Warnings are past out.....then a short ban...then longer and longer bans till WE say screw this shit and do it for life.

Personally, I'd just state that I didn't agree with reasons, log out and find something else to do that didn't piss me off. Hell, piss fests are deleted so why waste the time?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Please don't take this as a personal attack, I'll do my best.

You are a moderator here, and you don't even bother to spell or grammar check your posts? Obviously some people don't care about that sort of stuff so it's not that big of a deal, but your reasons for deleting posts are explained by 'Personally, I'd just state that I didn't agree with reasons, log out and find something else to do that didn't piss me off. Hell, piss fests are deleted so why waste the time?' I don't even know what that means.

My point is, it would be beneficial to you as a mod on this site, if you took some time to actually post what is and what is not allowed to be posted. Discussions get heated sometimes, and sometimes people don't understand where others are coming from or what their reasons are, so they get questioned. I feel like you don't know or don't care enough to attempt to make the distinction. If you made it clear on what you delete and what you don't, I'm certain posters (like me) would try to make your job as a mod easier by not posting things you'll delete. Right now, I am not sure why you delete what you do and why you let slide the things you do. I am new here, so I assume you are pretty busy deleting nonsense. If you delete the stuff you do in this thread, I can't imagine how busy you must be in other places.

I respect you as a moderator on this site, but I just wish I had a better idea of what you personally don't want to see on this board. I don't really post elsewhere, and I am not interested in pissing anyone off. I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone either, so I wonder why you say you delete those posts. If you deleted my posts because you thought I was engaging in a 'pissing contest', then make a post in that thread or something.

I apologize if this post pisses you off, I am trying to get a clear picture of what is and is not allowed on this board, to make both of our lives here easier. Feel free to delete it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Forgot to use the ieSpell......oh well, shit happens.

As for the forums guidelines they are posted in most forums with a sticky. Problem is that most people don't bother to read them over:
http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-...ard-rules.html

When people, not you, resort to throwing insults instead of debating an issue it is deleted. Posts that use quotes from this sort of piss fest are also deleted until the thread is clean. Wish I could edit posts but that's not an option for me as a moderator here so all content ends up being deleted.

By the way, I can definitely tell the difference between a heated debate and "FUCK OFF DBAG".

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[cologrower420]

Forgot to use the ieSpell......oh well, shit happens.

As for the forums guidelines they are posted in most forums with a sticky. Problem is that most people don't bother to read them over:
http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-...ard-rules.html

When people, not you, resort to throwing insults instead of debating an issue it is deleted. Posts that use quotes from this sort of piss fest are also deleted until the thread is clean. Wish I could edit posts but that's not an option for me as a moderator here so all content ends up being deleted.

By the way, I can definitely tell the difference between a heated debate and "FUCK OFF DBAG".

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I appreciate your response, and I didn't think about your nonability to edit posts so you have to delete quoted posts etc. I have a feeling that's why most of these posts are deleted.

I have read the rules about posting, and I guess what I'm trying to say is, you can take those rules and apply them differently in different scenario's etcetera, and different mods are going to read and apply them differently as well.

You don't have to reply, I see why you delete the way you do.