Researcher blamed for plagiarism says McInnis 'responsible for it'

[HighPopalorum]

Well, there's always Hick, who will be getting my vote. I've seldom had such a clearly-defined choice. He's a centrist, has experience in the private sector, brews beer and he has a good but not unblemished record in Denver. He has a mixed record on marijuana, originally opposing the decriminalization ordinance in Denver. He favors regulating MMCs. As far as I can tell, he has not made any statements about MMJ in a while.

[Zedleppelin]

My last response to you was an attempt to clarify what I posted before. Both attempts have apparently not registered with you, and I'm not sure why.

I don't think you realize that we probably vote for the same people.

I am simply trying to highlight BOTH parties' ignorance of their own problems, while attempting to highlight the problems of the opposition. Do you understand this point I am trying to make? I am not saying this as a republican, as a democrat, or any other party. I am simply making an observation.

I am not taking a position that the McInnis and Biden issues are identical. What I meant was identical, is the fact that both parties' have their own problems with corruption etc. It's fucking retarded for repubs to highlight biden's issue just as it's fucking retarded for dems to use this as general ammo against repubs.

I think Biden shouldn't be in office for that offense, and I think McInnis should return the money and issue a written apology. (edit: I wouldn't be opposed to McInnis leaving office either.)

Is that clear?

1. There is a question as to whether Biden even committed plagiarism.

2. McInnis cannot leave office because he does not hold any office.

It's frustrating because both sides seem to ignore their own parties' problems while trying to highlight the opposition's problems, when those problems are fucking identical.

My point: you'll hear the lefties here in colorado complain on this issue, while ignoring the same things done by their own, see below.
---http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html

Pot, meet kettle.

[copobo]

Hick could be trainable. He's far from ideal, but not as far as McInnis. If the Republicans were smart, after McInnis drops out, they would put up a pro mmj candidate...

[HighPopalorum]

Hick could be trainable. He's far from ideal, but not as far as McInnis. If the Republicans were smart, after McInnis drops out, they would put up a pro mmj candidate...

Dan Maes will be the Republican candidate if McInnis drops out. See my first post. He's the Tea Party candidate. He is unequivocally against medical marijuana, wants to repeal A20, and plans to ask President Obama to start enforcing federal marijuana law again - i.e. he wants the DEA to raid our MMCs. He poses as a libertarian, but he stacks up far right on all social issues. I believe he is unelectable in this state, though I'm prepared to eat my words (and my backup stash!) if he wins.

EDIT: I can't source what I said about asking Obama to resume reinforcement, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere. McInnis definitely supports this approach.

[SprngsCaregiver]

well, this guy, McInnis, is not our friend.

see:
Guv hopeful McInnis wants to put brakes on medical marijuana | mcinnis, obama, hopeful - Public Affairs - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

from OnTheIssues.org ( Scott McInnis on the Issues )
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
Rated D by VOTE-HEMP, indicating an anti-hemp voting record. (Dec 2003)

AND, it appears he has other allegation of plagiarism popping up now that people are checking up on him:
Did McInnis Also Plagiarize Speech, Column? - Politics News Story - KMGH Denver

Show me a real, pro-patient, pro-MMJ candidate and I will vote for them no matter what their party. If they are anti-MMJ, I believe them to be closed minded and anti-freedom. It's the perfect litmus test.

I couldn't agree more.

[copobo]

EDIT: I can't source what I said about asking Obama to resume reinforcement, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere. McInnis definitely supports this approach.

I think it was McInnis that said that.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/mcin...a-hopeful.html

in an interview Maes said:

* Should state or federal laws (depending on which office you seek) pertaining to marijuana be altered, and, if so, how?

Yes. Med. mar. is a disaster and must be regulated like a pharmaceutical.

[cologrower420]

1. There is a question as to whether Biden even committed plagiarism.

2. McInnis cannot leave office because he does not hold any office.





Pot, meet kettle.

I am not addressing the veracity of the plagiarism nor do I care about what position mcinnis holds. I still don't understand why you even continue to address it, because it doesn't have anything to do with my posts. I assume you are replying to 'me', because you quoted my post. Are you replying to someone else? If not, would you please drop the plagiarism stuff?

Again, my point is that the blatant hypocrisy abounds on both sides of the political spectrum.

I feel like we're arguing and making the same damn point.

[HighPopalorum]

Again, my point is that the blatant hypocrisy abounds on both sides of the political spectrum.

I speak only for myself, but I think you chose a particularly poor example. What Biden did was not that big a deal. What Scott did was. I'm not an expert, but I've taught enough college and high school courses to be able to chart the gray area between insufficient citation or errors in citation and outright plagiarism. I'll readily grant you there is hypocrisy on both sides, but the issue you raise about Biden does not illustrate that hypocrisy in a meaningful way.

We're way off topic, but maybe that mod won't notice. I like these conversations, particularly when they remain civil.

[cologrower420]

I speak only for myself, but I think you chose a particularly poor example. What Biden did was not that big a deal. What Scott did was. I'm not an expert, but I've taught enough college and high school courses to be able to chart the gray area between insufficient citation or errors in citation and outright plagiarism. I'll readily grant you there is hypocrisy on both sides, but the issue you raise about Biden does not illustrate that hypocrisy in a meaningful way.

We're way off topic, but maybe that mod won't notice. I like these conversations, particularly when they remain civil.

I guess your education background might explain why you insist on staying with the example I posted.

I'll happily agree that it isn't the best example, and I'm sure there tons of better examples out there regarding hypocrisy, but the biden/mcinnis comparison was an easy grab, since I didn't do any research.

I'll agree also, that this issue with biden isn't a big deal, while the issue with mcinnis seems to be more.

I guess I would say that this would better compare to an issue like ward churchill, but he was a paid, tenured (i think) so he was held to a higher standard.

As I understand it, mcinnis isn't a water expert and had no business acting as an authority, but it's not like he presented himself as such. I think it was that foundation supporting a candidate they liked, so they paid him to write a paper. I don't think either party cared much about the content. I could be wrong though.

[cologrower420]

Asshole.

McInnis campaign: 'No change; we're moving forward'

DENVER - Former U.S. Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) told 9NEWS Thursday morning he has heard Republican candidate Scott McInnis will end his candidacy, but it's a claim McInnis' campaign refutes.

Tancredo says the latest development Wednesday night "probably sinks the ship." The gubernatorial candidate held a conference call Thursday morning with the senior members of his campaign staff.
Sean Duffy, a spokesman for McInnis' campaign, dismissed Tancredo statements Thursday.

"We're not going to respond to any of that. You're going to get a lot of e-mails and speculation today, but Scott's in the race," Duffy said. "He has the same schedule we planned for him last week. There's no change. We're moving forward. He's not going to talk much more about this. At some point you've got to draw a line, and we've answered everyone's questions already."

The former presidential candidate Tancredo also personally called for McInnis to resign his candidacy. He is the first Colorado Republican to call for McInnis to resign from the race.

etc.

from 9news