Romer or Corry

[cologrower420]

So which dispensary do you grow/work for?

I am the son of a wealthy white family, my parents live in highlands ranch. I have always had access to the best quality pot.

I have never really known anyone who grows or is a caregiver. I am not a drug dealer, so I wouldn't even know where to find a caregiver.

A couple of years ago I realized the benefits of having the right to legally possess and consume marijuana. That's a pretty awesome thing to have, considering how much I smoke. The idea of being allowed to carry or have it in my possession during a traffic stop, for example, is pretty neat. So I got my card.

I am able to afford my medicine. I had been paying street prices from drug dealers, $50-$55 or $60 for an eighth for totally inconsistent meds and quality. The day I got my card, I visited a shop on the hill, and it was glorious. I think it's pretty cool to go from paying street prices and not knowing what you are buying to visiting a dispensary with 40 strains and extracts. I can't tell you how rare kief was in my world until two years ago.

I'm sure if I knew someone who grew then my situation would be different, but you have to understand that my prices haven't changed in the last two years. I'm still paying roughly $50 per 1/8th, and I'm okay with that because it's consistent and available whenever the fuck i want. No more waiting for the drug dealer to wake up, no more waiting for his girlfriend to leave. No more sitting around waiting for him to finish his xbox game. So so great to be a patient right now.

I have visited nearly every dispensary on south broadway, and several along hampden east of i25 over to south parker road, and a couple dozen in and around denver. My 5 main dispensaries would probably be budding health in the tech center, wellspring, d9, hatch, and cannamart. Again, out of the 50+ dispensaries I've been to, I have not seen anything even close to anything you guys are posting here about bugs, mold, mildew or anything else. I will be the first to admit that I'm ignorant on what to look for, but I have to assume those problems would be easy to spot. Cannamart has their plants out in the open for everyone to see. If they had bug or mold problems, wouldn't they keep them out of site?

So, until I see something remotely similar to what you guys are describing, then you will continue to not carry any credibility with your obviously bogus claims. I will simple say, 'prove it'. If you had anything more than anecdotal evidence of any of this, then you wouldn't be posting random horror stories.

I think the argument can be made that most problems with bugs, mites etc come from you asshole caregivers on craigslist selling your wares. Since craigslist is anonymous, it's probably a lot easier to rip people off into thinking your shit doesn't stink. You fail to recognize that dispensaries have a reputation to uphold, and they realize that if they carry poor quality meds, people will go 1,000 feet down the street to somewhere better.

It's just absurd that you guys sit and accuse every MMC of being a dirty scheming money robbing business.

To answer your question, I don't work for a dispensary, and I don't grow my own meds. I imagine if I grew my own, I would be agreeing with people like you who spout such venom towards MMC's.

I don't know you, so please don't take this as a personal attack.

[TheReleafCenter]

Rob's support of the 6% tax comes with the stipulation that indigent patients aren't required to pay it. Still, 99% of prescription drugs aren't taxed in Colorado. MMJ should be no different.

I'm confused why it's Rob Corry's job to "stand up for the little guy" when it comes to primary caregiver. He gets paid to do a job and represent people that pay him. Caregivers should have tried to present a unified voice, but the shame is that there are far more profiteers than good people on that side of the business.

[copobo]

I'm confused why it's Rob Corry's job to "stand up for the little guy" when it comes to primary caregiver. He gets paid to do a job and represent people that pay him.

I think people expect this because this is what he threatened as 1284 was working its way through the legislature.

but I agree. If I were him I would help paying clients first.

[Zedleppelin]

Caregivers should have tried to present a unified voice, but the shame is that there are far more profiteers than good people on that side of the business.

I pretty much agree with most of what you say but I completely disagree with this. The caregivers that decided to make as much as possible are the ones that opened dispensaries and hung signs with pot leaves over Sheridan Blvd and they are the greedy 20 year old punks that ruined it for everyone. Caregivers that werent greedy and focused on growing a quality product stayed doing what they were doing and they are the ones that got fucked, whereas the greedy ones got rewarded.

[cologrower420]

I pretty much agree with most of what you say but I completely disagree with this. The caregivers that decided to make as much as possible are the ones that opened dispensaries and hung signs with pot leaves over Sheridan Blvd and they are the greedy 20 year old punks that ruined it for everyone. Caregivers that werent greedy and focused on growing a quality product stayed doing what they were doing and they are the ones that got fucked, whereas the greedy ones got rewarded.

So you're saying the people who actually spent the money to remain compliant are the good guys? The dispensaries that are paying taxes on revenue etc are the bad guys? What about your caregiver friend in highlands ranch on 9news?

It's just so laughable that these large scale, non compliant home grows are upset. Why? Because you want to stay underground, not pay taxes, and just make your money?

If you aren't willing to pay taxes on the revenue you make from 'caregiving' etc, then why are you upset when you get passed on with reforming current legislation?

Think about the position that you are taking. Don't limit patient counts, don't make caregivers register with the state, don't make caregivers pay licensing fees, grow in commercial areas, etc. That's not a position that someone looking to run a legit business takes. Do you understand that?

These large scale non compliant home grows are attempting to take a position that is seemingly non-defensible.

In your opinion, how do these new regulations hurt anyone except these illegal, non compliant, large scale home grows? I don't think you can argue that anyone else is really negatively affected, other than that subgroup of this industry.

edit: how can you say these caregivers 'weren't greedy', yet they refused to get compliant and pay the fees? Uh, what does greedy mean to you? That asshole in highlands ranch who bragged to 9news about how much money he made? That's not greed? He didn't own a dispensary, which is the group you seem to be attacking. Any comment?

[Zedleppelin]

So you're saying the people who actually spent the money to remain compliant are the good guys? The dispensaries that are paying taxes on revenue etc are the bad guys? What about your caregiver friend in highlands ranch on 9news?

No that is not what I'm saying. Since you have shown time and time that you are unable to grasp the context of my comments why do you keep responding with random BS?

[luge469]

My 2 cents on the tax. Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? At the present time it is "medically legal" and subject to only sales tax(if I am correct)? Now if it were legal like cigarettes or alcohol then it could and probably would be subject to all types of "sin" taxes.:wtf:

[copobo]

it's not a sin to medicate. it isn't legal for recreational use.

if they want to have a sin tax, legalize it for rec use, and tax that differently then medical use..

[TheReleafCenter]

I think people expect this because this is what he threatened as 1284 was working its way through the legislature.

but I agree. If I were him I would help paying clients first.

In fairness to Rob, I think he threatened to sue on almost every provision.

I pretty much agree with most of what you say but I completely disagree with this. The caregivers that decided to make as much as possible are the ones that opened dispensaries and hung signs with pot leaves over Sheridan Blvd and they are the greedy 20 year old punks that ruined it for everyone. Caregivers that werent greedy and focused on growing a quality product stayed doing what they were doing and they are the ones that got fucked, whereas the greedy ones got rewarded.

See, I completely disagree with that. The people that opened dispensaries, by and large, were people with experience that had grown for a while or had decent connections. The "20 year old punks" (I'm 27, not sure if that makes me a punk) are the ones that knew they'd make more money swindling a few patients into signing up with them so they could go to the dispensaries and making the real money.

I understand why growers are upset, but I can't fathom why it's with MMC's in general. We were their bread and butter, and I'd dare say that 90% of them made their money off of wholesaling, not their patients.

But I'll put this question back on you: out of all of the caregivers out there, what percentage do you think GENUINELY care about patients and AREN'T in this to make a buck?

The last thing I want is for my patients to have to go to a caregiver who can rip them off without anyone ever knowing. If I put a jar of meds out covered in mold, people will spread the word. When we had a couple seeds in some great Master Kush a few months back, I came to the community and asked if there was a consensus on what to do with it. A caregiver sells a 70 year old cancer patient something crawling in mites and odds are no one ever knows.

[cologrower420]

No that is not what I'm saying. Since you have shown time and time that you are unable to grasp the context of my comments why do you keep responding with random BS?

The grasp of your comments are filled with anti MMC hate, yet I haven't seen you post any content that backs up what you say, which is nothing but anecdotal evidence with zero support. You are obviously a proponent of unlimited patient counts, underground grows, not paying taxes, keeping 'the man' out of your grow room. Right? What is your position on this stuff?

If I can't grasp what you are trying to say, then you might think about re-stating it, maybe dumb it down for me.

I'm just trying to have a discussion with someone who obviously has different views than myself. Releaf and I have asked you some good questions, and I haven't seen you provide a response that you actually think about. I am genuinely interested in why you think caregivers are champions for this industry, because everything that I know tells me otherwise.

I will happily admit being mostly ignorant of high quality large scale non compliant home grows, but I think it's important for you to admit the same. Then maybe we can work on moving forward. It seems like you would like other people to 'back you up' and agree with your position, so do it!

I understand though, it's easier to criticize instead of engage.

edit: I guess I need to be convinced at why YOUR hate (and other caregivers) is directed at MMC's, and not elsewhere. Do you hold MMC's responsible for 1284? Even Releaf has stated they weren't talked to.

If you are taking a position different than that of a caregiver, than say so, because that's the stance you seem to be taking.