wow thanks quebud, ive read up on that way of germinating before but was lazy at the time and thought id try the paper way. now with your advice ill definately do it that way. i have the bible coming and a dvd also, and once the system gets here i can have a good look at the parts and see if i find it do-able. ill grab some normal soil while at work tomoro and wack it in the microwave for 2 mins? as that post says, add a bit of sand (before the microwave?) and plant the seedling. my ol man has planted other things before, so mayb he cud give us a hand. can i just buy a vented hood for the light i already have or is it a all in 1 type thing? do you know any good models? ive ordered a 4inch fan with carbon filter and ducting. im planning on setting up in my wardrobe so its gunna be pretty inclosed in there. ive been told the set up will b here wednesday early afternoon. btw, have u heard of ingamars punch (spelling mayb off) . there the seeds im trying to germinate, are they easy to grow? thanks for the lenghty reply and some great pointers que, hopefully youll stick around and help me out now and again if you have time. it doesnt matter to me if i lose these seeds as they were only £15, when my snow white fem seeds arrive i wont be throwing them around quite yet, 70euros. your grow looks ace, if i cud get 1 plant to look that good id be chuffed. im gonna try for 2 plants . is that your 1st grow, i think it is rite? hope i turn out that damn good first off.not likely tho heh