Betraying U.S. and Israel at the same time

[killerweed420]

And as you posted, between the the Turkish and the British empire building they obliterated the original palestine natives. They were there hundreds of years before the jews and thousands of years before the christians. Its easy to beat a people into submission when you just say they never existed to begin with. Then you can write history anyway you want. US as an example. Just move the natives to smaller and smaller patches of worthless land and they will either become extinct or no one will care about them. And so eventually you just leave that section out of the history books and everything is peachy.

[Psycho4Bud]

Terminology is an important aspect of the issue at hand. Since the terminology used in describing the land being discussed has been a hotly debated issue connected to the political problems in the land for many years, one must know the origins of the terms used and be ready to employ the most reasonable one.

The Romans coined the name â??Palestineâ?� during the time of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 CE and the second Jewish revolt in 135. It is derived from the name of the Philistines, a group of Aegean invaders who settled in the area currently referred to as the Gaza Strip. The Philistines did not have control over the entire region in question for any amount of time, and the Romans used this renaming as a propagandistic way to remove all vestiges of Jewish identity, thus dealing a strong blow to Jewish nationalism in the area at that time.(1) The term â??Palestineâ?� has been used in the realm of Biblical studies for many years, however, only recently has the name become a politically charged term, making its use as a geographic term worthless.
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Seems that "the original palestine natives obliterated" were the Jews and that was done by the Romans. Guess they were the ones that made up the term Palestine also. That entire area was made up of different tribes in which NONE was known as Palestinians.

Have a good one!:s4:

[boaz]

...After ONLY six days of air, sea and hand-to-hand ground warfare, Israel defeated all three Arab armies along three separate fronts, capturing the entire Sinai Desert from Egypt, the 37mile x 12mile Syrian Golan Heights and the so-called "West Bank" (including East Jerusalem and its Old City) from Jordan.
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true, but my point is how were they able to that? was it devine intervention on behalf of God's chosen people or could it have been the billions in military aid the United States taxpayers send to Israel every single year? How does this fact effect our success in our many wars within muslem countries right now?

I'm not argueing one side has more of right to land than any other, I'm saying what is our interest there? I guess having 200 nukes there could be in our stategic interest but I'm not really seeing it and I certainly don't think Israel is holding back from nuking their neighbors just to please us. I think they are just too smart to do something that dumb. :twocents:

[leadmagnet]

I've been watching those people in the Middle East going at it for decades now. I'm at the point now of saying fuck em all. We in the US have our own BIG problems to deal with- not the least of which is a fascist infiltration of our system of government and the erosion of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the principles under which this nation was founded.

I watch President after President wipe their asses with the documents we as a people hold most sacred. This shit has got to stop and we're not going to stop it while spending all of our time and resources sticking our noses into other nation's affairs. I know we are "not an island" so to speak but this shit has got to stop somewhere.

[boaz]

"The Levant and Egypt sub-region is the traditional political, social, and intellectual heart of the Arab world and is vital to security and stability in the CENTCOM AOR. Because of its history as a primary battleground between rival ideologies, the dynamics of this sub-region, particularly with regard to Israel, influence the internal and external politics of states outside the region as well. In addition, U.S. policy and actions in the Levant affect the strength of our relationships with partners in the AOR. As such, progress toward resolving the political disputes in the Levant, particularly the Arab-Israeli conflict, is a major concern for CENTCOM."

[Psycho4Bud]

true, but my point is how were they able to that? was it devine intervention on behalf of God's chosen people or could it have been the billions in military aid the United States taxpayers send to Israel every single year? How does this fact effect our success in our many wars within muslem countries right now?

During Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency, U.S. policy shifted to a whole-hearted, but not unquestioning, support for Israel. Prior to the Six-Day War of 1967, U.S. administrations had taken considerable care to avoid giving the appearance of favoritism. Writing in American Presidents and the Middle East, George Lenczowski notes, "Johnson's was an unhappy, virtually tragic presidency", regarding "America's standing and posture in the Middle East", and marked a turning point in both U.S.-Israeli and U.S.-Arab relations.[

During the war, Israeli warplanes and warships shot at the USS Liberty, a US Navy intelligence ship in Egyptian waters, killing 34 and wounding at least 173. Israel claimed the Liberty was mistaken as an Egyptian vessel and it was an instance of friendly fire, and the U.S. government accepted it as such.
Israel ââ?¬â?? United States relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which country supplied their weapons at the time....can't find it. I'd bet that it was a combination of the English and the French. You can thank the French for Israel having nuclear capabilities also.

I'm not argueing one side has more of right to land than any other, I'm saying what is our interest there?

A middle eastern foothold just in case of some sort of oil embargo by the Arab nation as a whole. Hell, when Iran threatened to shut off Frances oil supply Chirac got it voted in to be able to use nukes in such a situation calling it a terrorist attack on their country.

Isn't this a beautiful world?
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Have a good one!:s4:

[leadmagnet]

A middle eastern foothold just in case of some sort of oil embargo by the Arab nation as a whole. Hell, when Iran threatened to shut off Frances oil supply Chirac got it voted in to be able to use nukes in such a situation calling it a terrorist attack on their country.

Isn't this a beautiful world?

Have a good one!:s4:

I do appreciate your frankness and ability to cut to the chase.

[boaz]

^ agreed. no doubt, it is a dog eat dog world. . . . and we've been having this discussion for a long time, hu? :jointsmile: I'm not really sure how I even get involved in these threads, I've never even been to the middle east, although I did live in L.A. for years.

[Bong30]

Hummmm Jesus was a Jew?? seams that jews were in the area around 00-37 AD

[Bong30]

PALESTINE REJECTED STATEHOOD IN 1947

PALESTINE REJECTED STATEHOOD IN 194766
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ISRAEL ACCEPTED
IN NOVEMBER 1947 THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY VOTED TO CREATE A JEWISH STATE AND A PALESTINIAN STATE.

THE JEWS ACCEPTED THE PLAN.

THE PALESTINIANS REJECTED IT.

IN 1948 THE JEWS DECLARED ISRAEL A STATE BUT INSTEAD OF DOING THE SAME, THE PALESTINIANS JOINED FORCES WITH JORDAN, EGYPT, SYRIA, AND IRAQ TO GO TO WAR AGAINST ISRAEL.

THEY LOST THE WAR THEY STARTED.

SO THEY WENT WHINING TO THE U.N. THAT THEY WANTED THEIR LAND BACK.

INSTEAD, it was decided that Jordan would rule the Muslim stronghold on the West Bank, and Egypt would rule the Gaza Strip.

THEREAFTER, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip remained refugee camps for the displaced Palestinians. They have been described as squalid.

HOW MUCH money has the world pumped into those two places?

MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.

BUT it didn't get to the people.

INSTEAD, it was decided by the men in power to keep the Palestinians in squalor in order to get even more money for themselves.

THE PALESTINIAN people were encouraged to focus their anger and hatred on the Jews, instead of on their corrupt fellow Muslims.

ARAFAT became a multi-millionaire.

IF THAT isn't enough history to prove the Palestinians are victims of their own greed and corruption, let's go back farther in time.

WHY does anyone believe the land of Israel belongs to the Palestinians?

FIRST of all, Palestinians never ruled the land.

SECOND, Jews have lived in the land of Israel far longer than any Muslim has.

THINK ABOUT THIS: The Old Testament is a Jewish history book. They wandered in the desert and then they settled in the promised land, eventually building their Temple in Jerusalem.

SOMETIMES the Jews ruled the land, and at other times they were ruled over by conquerors.

BUT, through all of those Biblical times, there were no Muslims attacking Jerusalem or the Jews.

BECAUSE there were no Muslims. Mohammad hadn't even been born. He wasn't born until the seventh century, hundreds of years after Jesus climbed the steps of Jerusalem.

JERUSALEM is not even mentioned in the Koran, though Muslims believe Mohammad was there. They consider The Dome of the Rock their 3rd holiest site, built where they believe Mohammad ascended to heaven.

IN FACT, Mohammad died and was buried in Medina.

IN A DREAM, Mohammad, with the angel Gabriel, had gone on a journey to the alAksa mosque in Jerusalem.

MUSLIMS claim Jerusalem is theirs because Mohammad was there in a dream. And they have Mohammad ascending to heaven from Jerusalem in order to hijack the Christian belief that Jesus ascended into heaven.

THE DOME OF THE ROCK was built by Muslims on the holiest site in Judaism, The Temple Mount.

THE name Dome of the Rock is because the Muslim shrine was built around the FOUNDATION STONE.

JEWS regard the location of the stone as the site of the HOLY OF HOLIES.

THE HOLY OF HOLIES was a room, built in a cube, located at the western end of the Temple.

INSIDE the HOLY OF HOLIES was the ARK OF THE COVENANT, described in the bible.

JEWS TODAY pray at the Western Wall, closest to the site of the rock, because they are not permitted to enter the Dome.

THE ISRAELIS could easily blow up the Dome of the Rock, or deny Muslims permission to go there, but they've done neither.

ON THE OTHER HAND, even in the 20th century, Muslims desecrated Jewish holy places and didn't allow Jews to enter Jerusalem when they controlled the city. They also denied Christians access to their holy sites.

ONE LAST NOTE: Let's look at Jerusalem in 1845, since we have a census from that year.

THE JEWISH population in Jerusalem that year was seven thousand.

THE MUSLIM population in Jerusalem that same year was five thousand.

CHRISTIANS also lived in Jerusalem then, three thousand of them.

YES, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, there were Jews who left Russia and Eastern European countries because of the ghetto lives they were forced to live, and many of those Jews went to Israel. But they went there to join a population of Jews already there. And they bought neglected land from the Palestinians. They didn't arrive and push the Muslims out, they paid Muslims for land and lived side by side.

THEN there was World War II and the holocaust, and the Jewish survivors of the Nazi prison camps had no homes to return to at the end of the war. Their homes and all of their posessions had been taken by others.

THOSE Jews were put into "camps" behind wire fences while the world wondered what to do with them.

ONE thing those Jews had learned, the hard way, is that the world doesn't care about them.

THE WORLD didn't care then and it doesn't care now. Most of the world prefers the ignorant lie that Jerusalem and Israel belong to the Palestinians.

IT'S TOO BAD the Palestinian people have been used as pawns by Arafat, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the rest of the Muslim world. But that doesn't erase the fact that the Palestinians could have declared Statehood, remained in their homes, and saved themselves from becoming rerugees at the mercy of their fellow Muslims.

MORE WARS followed the first against the state of Israel. More and more land was lost by the Palestinians and neighboring Muslims. And the Palestinians have spent generations now in poverty and squalor. But instead of improving conditions in the Gaza and the West Bank, their time and money go to the cry of "next time we'll run the Jews into the sea".

THE PALESTINIANS chose to go to war and lost the land the U.N. had designated would be theirs. Now all they do is whine.

WHERE IS THE HONOR the proud Muslims speak about? All we hear is whining, "We want our land back".

WHAT LAND?

YOU NEVER had any land until the United Nations gave you some. And then you left it, you left your homes because you gambled and lost. You thought you'd win the war and get all the land, the land the Jews bought from you and settled and improved with irrigation and made a garden in the desert.

EVEN THEN, even after that first war, if you had been willing to make peace with Israel, you could have left your squalid refugee camps to live on land Israel did not claim. But you chose to live in hate.

FOR GENERATIONS the Palestinian people have lived for one purpose, to win a war against Israel.

HASN'T HAPPENED, NEVER WILL.

YOU had your chance, in 1947. You threw it away because you wanted more. Instead of building your own country, you wanted to take what the Jews had already built.

THE WAY you took the Foundation Stone.

SHOW ME anywhere in the world where Muslims rule and the people thrive.

THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE MUSLIM PEOPLE IS WAR AND CONQUERING PEOPLES, MAKING THEM SLAVES AND TAKING THEIR RICHES. AND WHEN THERE'S NOTHING LEFT TO LOOT FROM THE PEOPLE, POVERTY SETS IN.

THAT'S MUSLIM HISTORY.

WHAT A WASTE OF LIFE.