Rusty?..going up against you is gonna get my ass handed to me for sure. So ??nope?.not gonna do it?.wouldn??t be prudent?

First I want to personally thank you for all the time and energy that you put into helping others?..you have my respect.

No nutrients for about 4-6 weeks.

This particular approach hasn??t worked out for me. I started out with bagseed (later to be identified as Gainesville Green) that grew up to the first set of true leaves?.but then never any farther. I had read and believed that no nutes for 4-6 weeks so I didn??t feed and they failed. With nothing to lose I began light feeding and they began to grow. The GG insisted on food from the beginning?.all I can add is my experience.

If an idiot newbie (like me)

Hardly?..c??mon now.

I'm not a champoin of anything, but Miracle Grow has a bum rap. If an idiot newbie (like me) can easily learn to grow cannabis with the stuff, anyone can. All it takes is a little bit of dialing-in, and acclimating yourself to properly using nutrients. It's a learning curve regardless of a gardeners choice of medium or nutrients.

How true it is?.all a learning curve. I went the direction that I did for simplicity sake?.all the nutes necessary in the potting mix, mixed to ph perfectly with my tap water. Thinking out of the way. (less chance for error)

Your learning curve required you to cut the FFOF in half. Why? Was it because you felt the FFOF was too hot for seedlings and clones?

You nailed that one?.seemed reasonable?.and most of all, the GG liked it a lot. Possibly full strength FFOF isn??t too hot?.I don??t know. But even though the GG wouldn??t even start without a little feed, throughout their hydro grow I was never able to raise the ppm above 300 @.7 So the decision to keep the nutes as low as possible and only add when the plants asked for more seemed prudent.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not)

What happened to your previous humility?

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) FFOF is a pre-nuted mix akin to Miracle Grow. (organic sources of nutrients aside) Both are a slow release mix. Please, tell me the difference between the nutrients in the FFOF, and the nutrients in the MG.

Can??t tell you the difference?..cuz I simply don??t know. I can only restate what I said before?.with MG the plants struggled?.with FFOF they took off running. That quite simply is the extent of my experience.

I'm willing to bet you don't give additional nutrients for a few weeks, at the very least. If so, you risk frying them with the nutrients, or severe stretching, or possibly stunting and abnormal growth...

You would win that bet?.you Sir, are quite correct.

Kinda looks like you're supporting the MG concept, just not embracing the MG name or inorganic source.

Concepts are for guys like you and many of the chemically minded pros that continue to enlighten us here?..I??m quite simply not that bright.

Chemical compounds are chemical compounds, regardless if organic or inorganic sources. Plants do not and can not distinguish between the two. Sitting side by side, if MG is cheaper than the FFOF, I'm going MG. (unless it's the 6 month mix...I'm not sure I'd go THAT far, lol)

No argument there. Cheap is good?.but what you??ve had success with has a pretty strong hold too?.I??ll spend a little more for success. (saving on failure?isn??t much of a saving). My no nute potting mix is Red Star?.cheaper than MG?.haven??t done any numbers?.but just maybe I come out even.

Rusty, you have been so helpful to this forum for so long (if it??s a re-veg question?.it gets referred to you?etc, etc.) Since so many start with MG (and you must admit, some struggle) How about a Rusty??s?working with MG thread?.could be an excellent addition to all the teaching that you have done here in the past.

With all due respect,
HMR