6 Days and still... only an inch

[Beautifulkayos]

My last post, I mentioned that I had burned my plants.

Well, I took down the foil and moved to another location with better ventilation.

I have started new seeds, and now, the only one that has popped up, is 6 days old and is only about an inch tall.

The last ones that I had were over 5 inches after 6 days!:wtf:

I am using the same soil, jiffy pots, and the same lights.
The only difference is that I used the CFLs from the beginning instead of sunlight and then the CFLs.

Any ideas what could be wrong?

Pics of the new setup and the plant in question are posted.

(Sorry if the pics are not a clear ash they should, all I have is my cameral on my phone.)

Beautifulkayos Reviewed by Beautifulkayos on 06-29-2010. 6 Days and still... only an inch My last post, I mentioned that I had burned my plants. Well, I took down the foil and moved to another location with better ventilation. I have started new seeds, and now, the only one that has popped up, is 6 days old and is only about an inch tall. The last ones that I had were over 5 inches after 6 days!:wtf: I am using the same soil, jiffy pots, and the same lights. The only difference is that I used the CFLs from the beginning instead of sunlight and then the CFLs. Rating: 5

[Horsemanrocks]

My experience with all your variables is limitedâ?¦..so take what I saw with an entire shaker of salt.

I think that youâ??re still blasting them with too much light and heatâ?¦. You were warned in your previous thread.

Secondlyâ?¦.the soil looks dry. Peat pots transpire a lot of moisture very rapidlyâ?¦.and peat is very low ph to begin withâ?¦..maybe the best thing would be to go to plastic pots in the future.

I know that Rusty is a champion of miracle growâ?¦I am not. I started my outdoor vege garden starts in miracle growâ?¦.it sucked the life out of them. I had to add quite a bit of nutes to bring them around. He obviously has vast experience dealing with itâ?¦probably a lesson in itself.

Also Iâ??m not a believer in waiting to feed until plants are X high or old. I put my starts (or seeds) in 50/50 mix of Fox farms ocean forest and a no nute potting mix. (with a lot of perlite) That equates to a light feeding from the get go. They take off running.

There are sooo many variables in horticultureâ?¦..in some cases itâ??s not as easy as it looks. Hang in thereâ?¦read, and read some more. You will have success in time.

Good luck,
HMR

[Rusty Trichome]

I think that youâ??re still blasting them with too much light and heatâ?¦. You were warned in your previous thread.
Secondlyâ?¦.the soil looks dry. Peat pots transpire a lot of moisture very rapidlyâ?¦.and peat is very low ph to begin withâ?¦..maybe the best thing would be to go to plastic pots in the future.

I pretty much agree...
I usually keep four to six seedlings per 23w CFL lamp. What you have is overkill, and you're going to fry 'em.
Keep your seedling's soil moist.
No nutrients for about 4-6 weeks.

I know that Rusty is a champion of miracle growâ?¦I am not. I started my outdoor vege garden starts in miracle growâ?¦.it sucked the life out of them. I had to add quite a bit of nutes to bring them around. He obviously has vast experience dealing with itâ?¦probably a lesson in itself.

I'm not a champoin of anything, but Miracle Grow has a bum rap. If an idiot newbie (like me) can easily learn to grow cannabis with the stuff, anyone can. All it takes is a little bit of dialing-in, and acclimating yourself to properly using nutrients. It's a learning curve regardless of a gardeners choice of medium or nutrients. Your learning curve required you to cut the FFOF in half. Why? Was it because you felt the FFOF was too hot for seedlings and clones?

Also Iâ??m not a believer in waiting to feed until plants are X high or old. I put my starts (or seeds) in 50/50 mix of Fox farms ocean forest and a no nute potting mix. (with a lot of perlite) That equates to a light feeding from the get go. They take off running.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) FFOF is a pre-nuted mix akin to Miracle Grow. (organic sources of nutrients aside) Both are a slow release mix. Please, tell me the difference between the nutrients in the FFOF, and the nutrients in the MG.
I'm willing to bet you don't give additional nutrients for a few weeks, at the very least. If so, you risk frying them with the nutrients, or severe stretching, or possibly stunting and abnormal growth...

Kinda looks like you're supporting the MG concept, just not embracing the MG name or inorganic source. Chemical compounds are chemical compounds, regardless if organic or inorganic sources. Plants do not and can not distinguish between the two. Sitting side by side, if MG is cheaper than the FFOF, I'm going MG. (unless it's the 6 month mix...I'm not sure I'd go THAT far, lol)

Organic Superiority Myth

[Horsemanrocks]

Rustyâ?¦..going up against you is gonna get my ass handed to me for sure. So â??nopeâ?¦.not gonna do itâ?¦.wouldnâ??t be prudentâ?�

First I want to personally thank you for all the time and energy that you put into helping othersâ?¦..you have my respect.

No nutrients for about 4-6 weeks.

This particular approach hasnâ??t worked out for me. I started out with bagseed (later to be identified as Gainesville Green) that grew up to the first set of true leavesâ?¦.but then never any farther. I had read and believed that no nutes for 4-6 weeks so I didnâ??t feed and they failed. With nothing to lose I began light feeding and they began to grow. The GG insisted on food from the beginningâ?¦.all I can add is my experience.

If an idiot newbie (like me)

Hardlyâ?¦..câ??mon now.

I'm not a champoin of anything, but Miracle Grow has a bum rap. If an idiot newbie (like me) can easily learn to grow cannabis with the stuff, anyone can. All it takes is a little bit of dialing-in, and acclimating yourself to properly using nutrients. It's a learning curve regardless of a gardeners choice of medium or nutrients.

How true it isâ?¦.all a learning curve. I went the direction that I did for simplicity sakeâ?¦.all the nutes necessary in the potting mix, mixed to ph perfectly with my tap water. Thinking out of the way. (less chance for error)

Your learning curve required you to cut the FFOF in half. Why? Was it because you felt the FFOF was too hot for seedlings and clones?

You nailed that oneâ?¦.seemed reasonableâ?¦.and most of all, the GG liked it a lot. Possibly full strength FFOF isnâ??t too hotâ?¦.I donâ??t know. But even though the GG wouldnâ??t even start without a little feed, throughout their hydro grow I was never able to raise the ppm above 300 @.7 So the decision to keep the nutes as low as possible and only add when the plants asked for more seemed prudent.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not)

What happened to your previous humility?

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) FFOF is a pre-nuted mix akin to Miracle Grow. (organic sources of nutrients aside) Both are a slow release mix. Please, tell me the difference between the nutrients in the FFOF, and the nutrients in the MG.

Canâ??t tell you the differenceâ?¦..cuz I simply donâ??t know. I can only restate what I said beforeâ?¦.with MG the plants struggledâ?¦.with FFOF they took off running. That quite simply is the extent of my experience.

I'm willing to bet you don't give additional nutrients for a few weeks, at the very least. If so, you risk frying them with the nutrients, or severe stretching, or possibly stunting and abnormal growth...

You would win that betâ?¦.you Sir, are quite correct.

Kinda looks like you're supporting the MG concept, just not embracing the MG name or inorganic source.

Concepts are for guys like you and many of the chemically minded pros that continue to enlighten us hereâ?¦..Iâ??m quite simply not that bright.

Chemical compounds are chemical compounds, regardless if organic or inorganic sources. Plants do not and can not distinguish between the two. Sitting side by side, if MG is cheaper than the FFOF, I'm going MG. (unless it's the 6 month mix...I'm not sure I'd go THAT far, lol)

No argument there. Cheap is goodâ?¦.but what youâ??ve had success with has a pretty strong hold tooâ?¦.Iâ??ll spend a little more for success. (saving on failureâ?¦isnâ??t much of a saving). My no nute potting mix is Red Starâ?¦.cheaper than MGâ?¦.havenâ??t done any numbersâ?¦.but just maybe I come out even.

Rusty, you have been so helpful to this forum for so long (if itâ??s a re-veg questionâ?¦.it gets referred to youâ?¦etc, etc.) Since so many start with MG (and you must admit, some struggle) How about a Rustyâ??sâ?¦working with MG threadâ?¦.could be an excellent addition to all the teaching that you have done here in the past.

With all due respect,
HMR

[Rusty Trichome]

Wasn't going to considder it a pissing match, but... <kidding>

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Fox Farms guy, and have been for years. But before I knew everything, ( :wink) I learned indoor gardening on what was available, (Miracle Grow products) despite the protestations of the entirety of all canna-sites but one. Found an oldie that helpem me out and guided me through the process. I learned that you have to adjust. What blew me away was that the labels aren't always right. Ya gotta be smarter than the marketing, which would have you use twice as much if they could get away with it.

Curiouis...why did you get the FFOF and cut it in half before use? Why not the same approach with the MG? Just curious...

Crap...Wife want's the computer back. Gotta go.

[Horsemanrocks]

Curiouis...why did you get the FFOF and cut it in half before use? Why not the same approach with the MG? Just curious...

I learned indoor gardening on what was available.

Isnâ??t that coolâ?¦..you inadvertently answered your own question.

If Iâ??m not mistaken (and Iâ??m not) We both live a little bit rurally. We work with whatâ??s available.

Peace, Love, and Sunday morning,
HMR

[Weezard]

I gonna go to sleep happy now.

Just got back from else-forums to find 2 of my favorite posters having an intelligent exchange of information onna "hot-button" topic, in an entertaining manner.:jointsmile:

Hadda pinch myself.
Owie!

Aloha nui loa,
And thanks for all da fish.

Weezard

[Rusty Trichome]

Anyone seen the OP? Am curious if he made the recommended changes, and what they look like now...

[Beautifulkayos]

After trying several ideas she finally fell. BUT...upon uproot and inspection i discovered the root system hit a big piece of wood and looked like it tried really really hard to grow THROUGH it...but failed. Thanks to all who helped. Its the support of a community like this that makes me want to return.