Quote Originally Posted by bigsby
It's all a shell game anyway. Bagram is worse.

The thing that gets me are people who, when it suits our perceived needs, see no problem with semi-legal prisons, detention without trial, secret testimony, "moderate physical pressure" (actually that's an Israeli euphemism for torture but we've expropriated it as though it were just a few dunums of land...). We are taking on the trappings of so many of the regimes we detest. People would do well to watch fewer hours of 24 and instead study history.
Sam Alioto and Dick Cheney both used the serial offender/star of 24 in real life examples of policy choices and influences of their thinking. it's as if the NEOCONS wrote the story lines to scare people into cheering on the War on Terror. In some discussion I read on huffpo or some other progressive news source, they referred to times where both these guys said something to the effect "If Jack Bauer did it, would you prosecute him"? It's not surprising that we were torturing folks in gitmo in secret at the time.

On another note did anyone notice the NY Times admitting to stop using torture because the Bush administration didn't approve? Since when does the independent press take orders from the government it's supposed to be policing as part of our checks and balances of democracy?