Closing Gitmo Fades as Priority

[Islandborn]

From the New York Times

Closing Guant�¡namo Fades as a Priority - NYTimes.com

Send Khaled Sheik back to Cuba where he belongs......before a Military Tribunal.

Islandborn Reviewed by Islandborn on 06-27-2010. Closing Gitmo Fades as Priority From the New York Times Closing Guant�¡namo Fades as a Priority - NYTimes.com Send Khaled Sheik back to Cuba where he belongs......before a Military Tribunal. Rating: 5

[bigsby]

It's all a shell game anyway. Bagram is worse.

The thing that gets me are people who, when it suits our perceived needs, see no problem with semi-legal prisons, detention without trial, secret testimony, "moderate physical pressure" (actually that's an Israeli euphemism for torture but we've expropriated it as though it were just a few dunums of land...). We are taking on the trappings of so many of the regimes we detest. People would do well to watch fewer hours of 24 and instead study history.

[Islandborn]

I, like most others, have no problem with it whatsoever. Don't hang with Jihadists or their sympathizers and you should be fine.

Ya hear that kids......you should watch made up tv shows instead of reading history books......ya heard it here first from Mr. Top 5 % himself. Words to live by.

Yea......that KUSHY little beach front resort they call Gitmo made up of all muslims together must be sooooooo rough on those supposed hardened soldiers right.......where they have football pitches and cricket games.....sounds so scary. God forbid they scare them with dogs or loud yelling and music. TORTURE i tell ya.....torture. State Prison in Texas is comparable.

[Islandborn]

and as with closing Gitmo........that timeline for withdrawl from Afghanistan is also starting to crumble........small hints.

Obama cites 'obsession' on Afghanistan timeline - Yahoo! News

[bigsby]

Ya hear that kids......you should watch made up tv shows instead of reading history books......

Once again you either failed to read what I wrote or you are again willfully distorting my words. You have proven yourself capable of both. Perhaps if you read more slowly it would help? Here is what I said (note I added emphasis to help you spot the operative words):

People would do well to watch fewer hours of 24 and instead study history.

[bigsby]

and as with closing Gitmo........that timeline for withdrawl from Afghanistan is also starting to crumble........small hints.

Obama cites 'obsession' on Afghanistan timeline - Yahoo! News

Islandboy seems to think or wants to paint me as I am some kind of diehard Obama supporter. I am not. Dogma is for idiots. I voted for him and will do so again if the choices resemble the last round. But I am not at all impressed with the product. He has not lived up to expectations in terms of promises made across a range of topics. He renewed the Patriot act virtually unchanged despite speaking out against it during the campaign, he promised to repeal DADT which he hasn't done, he promised to close gitmo in a year which he didn't do, and the list goes on.

Concerning the Afghanistan time line, that does not bother me as much. First of all they were careful to leave wiggle room. Anyone who was listening knew at the time that the phrase, "subject to review" is a get-me-out-of-jail-free card. Further, this has to do with military strategy (politics too, obviously) so if the military needs more time then it is up to Obama to hear out the generals. And if you want to talk about time lines, he is on schedule in Iraq for which he deserves credit.

Islandboy, you don't know me so if you are going to characterize my position on anything please have the courage to back up your claims with some kind of evidence. Of course you won't because you can't.

[irydyum]

Yea......that KUSHY little beach front resort they call Gitmo made up of all muslims together must be sooooooo rough on those supposed hardened soldiers right

18 months of my life were spent stuck on that rock and I can tell you from first hand experience, not some BS from the media, that Guantanamo Bay is a hellhole. Outside the Middle East, it's one of the few spots left where our military gets to wake up everyday with an active enemy pointing weapons at them. It's not a Kushy little beach front anything.

[RedLocks]

Once again you either failed to read what I wrote or you are again willfully distorting my words.

It hurts to try to figure out which or if it was something not listed, just too horrible confusing..

[boaz]

Islandboy ...

well . . . there you go again, now he's going to have to call you bugs bunny again. :jointsmile:

[eastbaygordo]

I have to wonder if he was a liar when he was speaking out against it or he now knows something that radically changed him. Either way I don't really care, we have to close gitmo, put torture back in the box, compensate those that were victims of Bush's WOT (the Canadian guy is who I'm referring too), and make permanent detention illegal.
If you compromise our values to the level of the enemy they already have won, why fight against it?


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