Quote Originally Posted by GTC21
Hahahaha! LMAO. Yeah, lots of people think tomato is a vegetable, probably because it's not sweet as the other fruits.

Is there a difference between dependance and addiction or are they the same thing? I think it depends on the person when it comes to cannabis dependance. About 3 or 4 years ago I had a good harvest, more than usual, I had more than enough for personal use so I was smoking silly amounts. I was smoking something like 1/8 a day, I know there are people who smoke more than that but I still think it's a lot. I was smoking this amount for about 2 or 3 months straight and then I ran out. As soon as I'd stopped smoking I was feeling really cranky, sulky, irritable and generally unhappy and pissed off. I had a nasty cough also. I think it depends on what the smoker uses it for, some people just smoke for fun at the weekend so it wouldn't affect them if they stopped, but others use it as a kind of escape from various problems (I was using it to calm my nerves) so if they stopped they would most likely feel withdrawal symtoms, I know I did after I stopped. That's why I don't smoke that much any more because I feel like shit when I run out. A joint each night before bed is fine for me now, plus a little more at weekends. That's all I can smoke at the minute as I'm running low and it's gonna be about another 8 weeks before I can chop the crop.
No dependence is not the same as (but necessary for) addiction.- keep in mind these relative concepts- ie, at what pt do you consider a drug effecting perf at work, etc. they give these "behavior inventories" with lots of q';s like that to you, and how many of those behaviours, and severity determine an "addiction score". It also has to have some kind negative impact on functioning- and how that is defined is kind of arbitrary.

Your analysis of the self reports of your use are spot on. If you use to escape, you will stress more when you withdraw. But when ppl have problems with sleep, eating, GI problems, THAT is crossing over to physical w/drawal symptoms (which depend solely on amount of use- i mean, if you are smoking an 1/8 a day, you are smoking to eat, smoking to sleep, smoking to wake up, you have to smoke just to be able to smoke! It does take some recovery. THats alot of fucking weed man.

Thanks for recognizing the tomato. I was trying to use that as a (loose) analogy for the beer, nic, and caff are not drugs, b/c of how society regards them, in the same vein as grapes are the gateway fruit. "Don't let anyone tell you alcohol is not a drug. It is." -- "DOn't let anyone tell you the tomato is not a fruit- it most def is."