Quote Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
It comes down to this, even if I agree complexity and order are proof of a creator, it does not prove the existence of the god of the bible. Why couldn't a "creator" be allah, odin, zeus, or buddha? If there is a creator, what makes anyone think the same conditions for life weren't provided for on other planets and life created there by the same creator being? Why does "proving" god exists always seem to "prove" that humankind is really, really special and exists alone in the universe?

For that matter, why would the creator being have to care about humans at all?

If your going to use complexity and order as "proof" of a creator, think of this:

If the universe is too complex and orderly to have just happened and god is an incomprehensibly complex and orderly being, then god can't have just happened.
I'm not saying the Christian god was the cause of all this, merely A higher power, and another good point about the creator having to be created, there could be higher powers above higher powers, God, Buddha, Ala, all could have been different higher powers, or rather all the same godly figure just differentiated by different cultures and religions.

Our universe not only has order to where our life could've been possible but sustains the same, temperature, distance, etc it needs to for us to survive today and does everyday.

Just because god is capable creating our life and everything we know, which obviously seems complex and orderly and amazing to us, doesn't quite mean were even a spec of what could be possible.

You say god couldn't have just happened because he'd be an incomprehensibly complex being, but he's only incomprehensibly complex from our tiny species point of view.