Quote Originally Posted by dkgpro
You're right it doesn't prove the existence of god, none of the crazy coincidences, no matter how many I bring up, will never PROVE the existance, there is always that small chance that it just happened.
That's where faith comes in to play..
You're missing my point entirely. What makes "it just being that way" a statistically lower probability than "god did it"? And if god had to create the universe, why didn't anything have to create god? I know that's where faith comes in. I once had faith in Santa Claus . . .

Quote Originally Posted by dkgpro
I never said complexity and order HAD to have a creator, I just said it's very unlikely and would be more logical to see this as creation rather than.... just nothing turning into something, or a random occurrence.
Again, why is it more unlikely that the universe is a random occurrence than a created thing?


My dad used to say that thinking the universe just happened would be like finding a watch and thinking it just happened.

It's true the watch was created . . . by man . . . who was created by god (according to many)

so take the watch analogy one step farther

the universe was created by god . . . who was created by ? . . . who was created by ? . . . ad infinitum