Is it possible?

[jamessr]

Plus I think most of us are getting sick of your nonsence case law and outdated court public records that you are trying to spell as fact when you yourself can not even explain the law.

Face it, there is lots of gray area in WA. If you go to a legit Dr. Get a permit and really have the medical need and proof if need be. Then there is littel worry for you. If your playing games then you could end up a loser in court.

I am legit and have 4 HUGE plants in my back yard. I will sit in my front yard with my vape and toke right in front of the chief of police who lives 2 doors down. He can legally do nothing. Can he make a case if he wanted. Yes. Would it stand up in court in my case . NO end of story.

Be safe, be smart and you will have no worries.

Cry backache and have no medical proof and you will be in trouble.

Those of us who do it right have no worries.

Peace:rastasmoke:

If your sick of reading my threads or posts, then don't read them, go to another thread...simple huh? if you don't get it then hire a lawyer...

Also, when my case shows up in black and white...you will wish you paid closer attention to the caselaw posted herein...

I now know your just a buster..smoking in the view of the general public?? geez, it takes all kinds don't it...I bet if the chief knew it was weed you was "VAPING" YOU ASS WOULD BE IN JAIL...care to find out whilst I am standing there watching you...total buster.

And you obviously have no idea on how to read caselaw either...outdated?? Have you ever Shepardized the caselaw I have posted?? Do you know how?

[jamessr]

an exam is not defined by taking blood pressure or vitals

Do yourself a favor and call the dept. of health and ask them for a detailed list of what qualifies as a MMJ exam within the scope of care.

Then post it here if you dare.

[iceshark]

an exam is not defined by taking blood pressure or vitals

Do yourself a favor and call the dept. of health and ask them for a detailed list of what qualifies as a MMJ exam within the scope of care.

Then post it here if you dare.

I don't need to. I have been told directly from the doctor. No vitals are required as part of the exam.

Wonder how long till you get your lame arse lawnchair attorney banned on this site as well. Seems you have a trail of banned smoke as most are sick of your lame posts. Boy it takes alot to search and find public records to try and prove a point you can not prove..

We all know I am all but kidding about vapeing directly in front of our Chief. However I would have no issue with him watching me vape from my recliner in my front window while in my home. As I said use some common sence and you are protected by law.


For the handful of negative case law you present, there are hundreds more people a year not harrased for being within the grey but what we have Med MJ law here in WA>

Doc in the box is a joke. If you have legit reason to have the permit, and follow the basic guidelines you will have no issue in court if and thats a big if it ever got to that.

And read my lips. YOU DO NOT NEED VITALS or an exam to be a legal defense. Vitals are only required by most health insurance companys to get clinics and doctors eligable for reimbursment of visit fees.

Even better yet is with the new law as of last week. Even a naturapath can get you a Med Permit. They dont have anything to do with most insurance companys and are not a standard vital taking business. I bet your chompin at the bit to get that first case from Omak where some backwards arse Judge goes after a Med user as they got there card from one of those fancy city folk hippie naturopathees.

At first I thought you were posting some useful information. Now hearing from others that have seen enought of you and seeing your scare propoganda. I will laugh at the day you get the boot here as well. And I bet they dont even ask for your vitals when they give ya the boot:thumbsup:

[iceshark]

[quote=justpics]he could get you for using within view of the general public, but that's it.[/QUOTE

He could but it too would be thrown out if you were in your own garage and had a med permit. Would it be smart, most likely not as the law is so gray with some judges. But in most cases you would be just asked to put it out and go inside.

I will not mention the co-op here north of Seattle I am a patient at. But I will hang out and talk time to time with the owners. I am a financial consultant for a large retail chain and my office is just down the street. I used to smell pot sometimes when I would pull up to this place.

Then about 3 weeks ago I noticed no more smell. I asked if they had been harrassed.

The owner said the police in this city were called by the tenent next door for pot smell in back of store. The police (4 of them) had no issue with the shop other then suggest more security to protect the workers from possible theft or invasion. They only asked that they do not smoke meds in back as its upsetting other retailers. No threat of arrest or harrasement. Total tolerance.

Now I know that this would not be the case in all citys as we still have non or little tolerance from Snohomish county and others. But again, be smart and your fine. Be stupid and push it and you might get a small ticket.

Aint no biggie.

I am sure Jasslawyer will give us his armchair take and some great case law next. :smokin:

[jamessr]

As far as any caselaw response...State v. Fry is a mouthful...maybe you should read it sometime and educate yourself in the world of lawful cannabis use vs. "TOLERANT" cannabis use.

And no I am not going after any newly legislated healthcare practitioner listed...

Maybe if you really read the caselaw and the laws I post, you will realize we patients are under serious attack to have our right to cannabis by the government in our state...just because you live in a "TOLERANT" community doesn't mean we all do..

Scare tactics??? WOW, ur one of them huh? should have guessed... no iceshark, not trying to scare anyone here..just the opposite...but, not caring about caselaw and how are the "PARTICIPANTS" in our judicial system, including the doc-in-the-box clinic et.al. have their places in our MMJ laws..hell read the intent located at 69.51A.005..pretty clear heh?

If you have even looked at why I was convicted, you will see that if this stands...our authorizations won't be upto a medical healthcare practitioner but, "any" business owner for any reason they see fit......

This is what happened in my specific case...they "ALL" made the excuse that I had an authorization which was invalid because the ownwer/operator said it was...not my signing M.D. dr. orvald...he certified it was valid...

So if this occurred to you, would you just be silent???

Would you allow others i.e. PATIENTS in your community to be harmed because others claimed you had an "AGENDA" opposite of theirs?

Would you allow your medical records to be taken from your doctors possession contrary to all laws by this business owner/operator to cover his own ass of guilt for defrauding thousands of patints each yr.??

The caselaw I post (if you can understand it) shows mostly who,what,where & how I was convicted and how to appeal it...just in case I win, people will not be shocked when they find themselves in jail defending criminal charges they can't defend against like MR. JASON LEE FRY, SHARON TRACY, RICKEY SOPER, AND MY OWN SON JAMES JR...

Enough is enough already of the convictions because we all got set up by very smart business people and learned professionals in law...

Time to turn it around...nothing like grabbing a bull by the horns and going for a ride...care to go for a ride with me?? Didn't think so..sigh.

If I lose..shit we all in trouble then..it becomes not any medical issue but, a business financial one..

[jamessr]

I have been suffering from herniated discs in my l4 l5 regions for a few years now and also get very bad shooting pains down my leg. I have been to the chiropractor many times but it was no help. He put me on a spinal decompression machine but it was also no help (there goes $1500). Physical therapy was an option but once again did nothing for me. I got a cortazone, or how ever you spell it, shot and it helped for about 2 weeks and the pain came back. I can't sleep and very frustrated, so i was wondering if i could get a mmj card for my situation. I smoke quite often because it helps sleep alot and gets my mind off the pain. So do you think it's possible to get a card for that or should i just not even try?

Dr. Havsey in tacoma sounds like the right healthcare practitioner for your qualifying condition..he specializes in exactly what your saying here...google his name...sometime ago I read he signs them with no-expiration date...but, going to him is the only real way to find out..

[iceshark]

As far as any caselaw response...State v. Fry is a mouthful...maybe you should read it sometime and educate yourself in the world of lawful cannabis use vs. "TOLERANT" cannabis use.

And no I am not going after any newly legislated healthcare practitioner listed...

Maybe if you really read the caselaw and the laws I post, you will realize we patients are under serious attack to have our right to cannabis by the government in our state...just because you live in a "TOLERANT" community doesn't mean we all do..

Scare tactics??? WOW, ur one of them huh? should have guessed... no iceshark, not trying to scare anyone here..just the opposite...but, not caring about caselaw and how are the "PARTICIPANTS" in our judicial system, including the doc-in-the-box clinic et.al. have their places in our MMJ laws..hell read the intent located at 69.51A.005..pretty clear heh?

If you have even looked at why I was convicted, you will see that if this stands...our authorizations won't be upto a medical healthcare practitioner but, "any" business owner for any reason they see fit......

This is what happened in my specific case...they "ALL" made the excuse that I had an authorization which was invalid because the ownwer/operator said it was...not my signing M.D. dr. orvald...he certified it was valid...

So if this occurred to you, would you just be silent???

Would you allow others i.e. PATIENTS in your community to be harmed because others claimed you had an "AGENDA" opposite of theirs?

Would you allow your medical records to be taken from your doctors possession contrary to all laws by this business owner/operator to cover his own ass of guilt for defrauding thousands of patints each yr.??

The caselaw I post (if you can understand it) shows mostly who,what,where & how I was convicted and how to appeal it...just in case I win, people will not be shocked when they find themselves in jail defending criminal charges they can't defend against like MR. JASON LEE FRY, SHARON TRACY, RICKEY SOPER, AND MY OWN SON JAMES JR...

Enough is enough already of the convictions because we all got set up by very smart business people and learned professionals in law...

Time to turn it around...nothing like grabbing a bull by the horns and going for a ride...care to go for a ride with me?? Didn't think so..sigh.

If I lose..shit we all in trouble then..it becomes not any medical issue but, a business financial one..

OK, I apologize. I did not know you were arrested and convicted. That sucks. What happaned and where was this?

[jamessr]

Got pulled over doing 55 in a 55. The officer claimed I was doing 65 and following too closely. He pulled over another person in front of me after I seen his lights and I pulled over to let him go by me. He pulled over the truck in front of me. As I was approaching the pull over, he waived me over in front of the truck.

He spoke to them, then he spoke to me. He let them go and jacked me. I beat the citation he wrote under State v. Ladson pretext, because of 2 other cases against some government employees I have. He took from me over 30 grams and turned in only 9.59 grams but, never cited me for the medicine he took( we all know why, he is a stoner)....he called the DA which told him to seize my meds and authorization because my birthdate was blacked out( he said he didn't know if it was my sons authorization)... the court from my prior case blacked it out( the file I removed my authorization from was "COURT CERTIFIED"...The court itself redacted the file, not me.)

The prosecutor filed a search warrant for my medical records. The "SUPERIOR" court judge signed it for grays harbor "ONLY", not bellevue THCF..the officer served the warrant on a clinic I had never every visited( I only went to OREGON THCF, beyond the jurisdiction of the state of wa.
( they could only try to subpoena my medical records). THCF "non-physician" owner/operator wrote a declaration stating I had not returned to the wa. office to renew and the clinics authorizations are "ONLY GOOD FOR 1 YR.", my authorization was certified by the clinics physician as valid...

The court invalidated my authorization because the owner said it is invalid and since he is the head ceo..his "DECLARATION" overides my medical authorization as a matter of law. The dang judge even wrote I was correct as there is no 1 yr. anything at all in the act...not even anything close..I went to jury trial with no defenses at all...bare assed naked!!!

The jury heard nothing about me being medical and when I tried to tell the jury what the officer did to me..my trial ended with my last words of I told the officer I was a medical marijuana patient...the judge stopped the trial and sent the jury back for delibrations..20 minutes later I was found guilty by all 6 jurors...WooT!!

[Weezing]

.
...
I suspect the Dr. will still ask for them. However it is unclear as now even Naturopaths can write for MM permit. And not being true med doctors they do not have resource to ask for med records. So step forward in law or back I am not clear,
...

Anyone can ask for your medical records. Heck, your neighbor can come over and ask to take a quick look through your chart. If _you_ choose to give it to him, that's your business.

IMO, anybody providing medical marijuana recommendations should ask for medical records or spend quite a bit of time following the patient medically. Anything less is dishonest and legally problematic. Imagine going to a doc and saying "I have a brain tumor", with the doc replying "OK sounds good, let's go get it cut out!".

[Weezing]

Would you allow others i.e. PATIENTS in your community to be harmed because others claimed you had an "AGENDA" opposite of theirs?

Would you allow your medical records to be taken from your doctors possession contrary to all laws by this business owner/operator to cover his own ass of guilt for defrauding thousands of patints each yr.??

The caselaw I post (if you can understand it) shows mostly who,what,where & how I was convicted and how to appeal it...just in case I win, people will not be shocked when they find themselves in jail defending criminal charges they can't defend against like MR. JASON LEE FRY, SHARON TRACY, RICKEY SOPER, AND MY OWN SON JAMES JR...

Enough is enough already of the convictions because we all got set up by very smart business people and learned professionals in law...

Time to turn it around...nothing like grabbing a bull by the horns and going for a ride...care to go for a ride with me?? Didn't think so..sigh.

If I lose..shit we all in trouble then..it becomes not any medical issue but, a business financial one..

James, you are potentially harming the very people you seek to protect by failing to mention that your interpretations of the law are your own and have largely not been successfully tested in court. It would be helpful to others if you mentioned that what you argue is solely your opinion and that you have no formal legal education except for that acquired through your experience as a defendant. While this is the internet and anybody taking life-affecting advice from forum posts is a moron, ill people are some times desperate to hear what they want to hear. It would be a shame if someone relied on your advice and ended up getting hurt.