The Runaway General - Rolling Stone

[Islandborn]

Was that a joke....Obama appointed McChrystal, who he now replacing with David Patreus (awsome)........

Patreus destroyed the jihadis in Iraq....and pulled one out of his hat for Bush. Obama decided and campaigned that Afghanistan was "the war of neccecity" for over a year......now he's in charge and not doing well in Afghanistan and the actual warriors over there say so cause they are getting shot up and cant return fire.

Bush, Bush, Bush, is all ya'll got nowadays.....its so humorous......its the dailykossies mantra......blame bush, blame bush. Its doing wonders for you guys. This is all Obama now.......ALL OBAMA. I hope you guys run for the mid-terms with a blame bush strategy.....PLEASE.

[boaz]

option A- pure war for 50 years...they have the boneyards to prove it

option B- cut your losses & run

personally...imp:I say fuck it...and go back to hitting from a distance, if needed, we're good at that..:thumbsup:...we're hi-teck

yeah, I agree. I think that was the Biden plan. :jointsmile: but anyways, Stan the Man of Chaostan is gone now. replaced with Patraeous. good luck General.

[boaz]

Just like Bush, Obama was never involved in the tactical mission. They leave that up to the experts. Any failures rest with McChrystal. Again, Obama is cleaning up a Bush/Cheney mess.

gypski, I am not trying to argue or anything with you about this :jointsmile: but I guess I just see it different. I hold the President responsible for war casulties beginning the moment he takes the oath. From that moment on no one but he is responsible for all aspects of it, tactical, strategic, logistically, etc... all of it. as long as we are engaged in combat, he owns it. Maybe its because I've never been in the military but that is just how I see it.

But, I do agree that Shrub was no military genious either. This is exactly the reason I voted for John McCain. I thought he would make a good Commander in Chief with his experience. :twocents:

[gypski]

gypski, I am not trying to argue or anything with you about this :jointsmile: but I guess I just see it different. I hold the President responsible for war casulties beginning the moment he takes the oath. From that moment on no one but he is responsible for all aspects of it, tactical, strategic, logistically, etc... all of it. as long as we are engaged in combat, he owns it. Maybe its because I've never been in the military but that is just how I see it.

But, I do agree that Shrub was no military genious either. This is exactly the reason I voted for John McCain. I thought he would make a good Commander in Chief with his experience. :twocents:

I'm not arguing either, but if you have never served (don't take that as a rebuke if you haven't), you do what your immediate command general demands without question. Not the White House, look at what Nixon did in Vietnam, Peach with honor my ass. I served during that time. The guy sitting in the Oval office has only been a military man twice. George Washington and Dwight D. Eisenhower and we know what their comments were. Eisenhower warned us that we would see this day, and we cannot blame it on Obama after 23 years of Republican administrations and only 17 years of Democrat administrations since 1960. Neither is blameless, but who has had more time to undermine and attempt to dismantle the government in the favor if industrialist or multi-nationals as they have morphed into in recent memory? Who brought the greatest deficits in favor of corporations rather then the people? But I digress...........

Back to McChrystal. The orders come from the guy running the show, and are expected to be executed by the guy running the show in the war zone. Apparently, McChrystal was going out on his own and not following orders from headquarters.

I agree troops are needlessly dying. That is a command issue and the execution of the mission. And the killing of civilians by trigger happy troops (because of poor leadership at the command level on the ground) needs to cease to gain the true trust of the Afghan people. If I lived in Afghanistan right now, I'd be fucked up on "O" too, or kicking some religious nut cases ass under the influence of "O" or hashish. And I'd be damned sure to take a few with me if I was to die. And the opium epidemic got worse after we took over in 2005 under Bush. How about an accusation that the Bush Cabal is a narco-gang also since the increase happened on his watch? Tangent.

[gypski]

The shit can is what Bush left for Obama. A government undermined to near collapse is a tricky thing to repair and stabilize. Nearly done in from within by Jr and the Dick. Gotta give Obama a break with the shit he's been handed by the under miners. And McChrystal appears to be an under miner. :wtf:

Be careful not to swallow the bait. :jointsmile:

"It undermines the civilian control of the military that's at the core of our democratic system," Obama said.

You heard it first here!!! :rastasmoke::S2:

[Dutch Pimp]

things getting more weird everyday...:wtf:..http://boards.cannabis.com/southern-...s-undoing.html

I can see his point...been there, done that..:thumbsup:

[gypski]

things getting more weird everyday...:wtf:..http://boards.cannabis.com/southern-...s-undoing.html

I can see his point...been there, done that..:thumbsup:

I gotta see the actual report to believe this. But, we'd make more friends with the people if we burned some of that primo hashish with them. Time to lighten up a little and fraternize with the Afghan Troops daily @ 4:20.

[Dutch Pimp]

the days of being conquistadors is over...nobody will give up their homeland...I wouldn't...imp:

[Islandborn]

I gotta see the actual report to believe this. But, we'd make more friends with the people if we burned some of that primo hashish with them. Time to lighten up a little and fraternize with the Afghan Troops daily @ 4:20.

Wouldn't we make better friends if we used some of that PRIMO Heroin in Afghanistan? Forget the Hash......thats Bush league.

[boaz]

things getting more weird everyday...:wtf:..http://boards.cannabis.com/southern-...s-undoing.html

I can see his point...been there, done that..:thumbsup:

:jointsmile: from what I've heard on the news so far I guess they were stuck in Paris because of the volcano and someone said . . . "hey, you know what? maybe we should find a good pub get loaded."

Obama's being a little girl about tho, I mean c'mon, lightin up already your highness. :rastasmoke: