hey id like to apoligize for the late replies and stuff on all my threads but im back. i clipped em from the bottom branches. used the powder. tried the foliar feeding with just water. they looked like shit after 2 weeks but they werent dead. yesterday i cut the cup away and holy shit roots everwhere! so if ur new to cloning like me dont get discouraged with all the info out there. all i did was : 45 degree cut from bottom branches, 4 nodes down, ripped the last node downward, dipped it in powder, threw it in a peat pod, made a plastic dome outa a jug, used regular menards flourescent lights and got roots!!!! im really sorry about no pics because they did look like hell!