thanks for the feedback guys! its much appreciated. downloading the grow bible now :P thanks for that. had a look at my plants but cant really tell sex yet. ill borrow my m8es camera tomorrow, its got amazing macro-zoom lense on it. so ill get some close ups! what bits in particular would you like to see photos of? and how close? saves me uploading loads of photos :P ive had a couple of people tell me now to switch them to 12/12, so i have done :P dark cycle started at 8 tonight, so ill get some photos once the lights come back on at 8 tomorrow morning. not bad plants considering there grown from seeds i got out of a seeded batch of green! thanks again!