Quote Originally Posted by WIlDuce1883
...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.
Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
SNIPPET There was a certain point where you went from funny, to laughable. I believe it was when you first opened your mouth, but would have to go back and double-check. :jointsmile:
Rusty you just proved his point. Attempting to discredit another persons argument in this way discredits your position. You would do better sticking to facts that you can back up. It seems some in this thread think if they shout loud and long enough that their point of view will prevail. Similarly, repeating a half truth or lie often enough does not make it fact.

I am not interested in name calling, shouting. Similarly, I am not interested in half truths. I'll give an example. Someone pointed out that Israel was established by the UN and that this solution was rejected by the Arab League. Yes this is true but it is only part of the truth. Given some context and you may see it differently. At the time that the UN moved to partition Palestine the Jewish populations was between 6% and 12% of the total population and legally owned less than 3% of the land base. Yet they were awarded 52% of the land base under the partition plan - and the most productive land at that. (See Arieh L. Avneri (1984). The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land Settlement and the Arabs, 1878â??1948, p224.) If established according to the UN partition, the newly formed Jewish state would have had and overwhelming Arab majority. The Arabs protested that this was not fair. In this light it is not an unreasonable position. They called for a democratic solution based on national referendum, a proposal rejected by the Zionist supporters, also for obvious reasons. It is also important to recall that this decision by the UN was taken at a time when colonial conquest was still the dominant mindset.

In this thread I have read a lot of BS about "Jihadis". This is thinly veiled racism. This term attempts to lump together anyone who opposes the expansionist policies of the Israeli state into one group that can be reviled by all. It is unacceptable.

To the topic at hand. Who was responsible for the disaster on the flotilla? My guess is that the truth lays somewhere in the middle. I am always amazed at how Israelis find themselves amongst murderous crowds and somehow they all walk away. Perhaps a bit bloodied but they walk away while they leave a trail of dead in their wake. Amazing that no Israelis died on that boat, eh? I do know this. Israel has all the evidence they need. If they have nothing to hide then why don't they simply return all of the cameras and footage that exists? Failure to do so is damning.

Finally, if you have not experienced life under occupation then you don't know what you are talking about; you should refrain for trying to understand the mindset of those that live with the day to day humiliation, denial, and death that the occupation brings about.
bigsby Reviewed by bigsby on . Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed Israeli forces have attacked the international aid convoy Freedom Flotilla en route to the besieged Gaza Strip, killing at least 10 people and leaving more than 50 injured. The attack came on Monday morning after one of the six ships in the convoy was hit by Israeli navy forces before being stormed by commandos descending from helicopters. The interception reportedly took place in international waters, more than 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza. Israel had earlier deployed Rating: 5