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    #111
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    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
    I beg your pardon...? You call the garbage you've posted "respectful"? Hardly. You seem to take the antagonist viewpoint without having the slightest clue what you are talking about, all the while attempting to deny and downplay the video evidence against your points. Seriously...you should really try and get good at this "I love terrorists" bullshit. Because right now, it's obvious that you are floundering and unable to properly express yourself.

    There was a certain point where you went from funny, to laughable. I believe it was when you first opened your mouth, but would have to go back and double-check. :jointsmile:
    How do assume what I posted was garbage? It is certainly not what popular theory suggests. You are just part of the herd. Let members of this board decide for themselves.

    I do know what I am talking about and do not agree with anything that comes on the electric toilet known as the television.

    That's solely your opinion. What you call "terrorists" are the ones who have been invaded, fighting for their freedom. Is a person just going to stand there and let themselves get shot? No.

    And you are saying the IOF(Israeli Occupation Forces) and the Mossad are not terrorists?
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    #112
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Quote Originally Posted by WIlDuce1883
    ...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.

    Do you know how much financial aid Israel contributes to America? None. All of Americans hard earned tax dollars goes towards Israel's wars.

    Reading back through what I wrote I agree it appeared I was calling you an idiot....my apologies....i was not. I should have been more clear in referring to the President of Iran as an idiot....not you. We may differ on politics but I do not think that people with different opinions on politics are idiots or should be banned from TV, Radio, or anywhere else. The fact that either one of us can debate on a public forum about our elected leaders is awsome to me.

    I'd rather my hard earned tax dollars go to Israel (whose been fighting islamic conservative whackos for generations) than to shady mob groups like the unions and Acorn anyday.

    Its regular folks with flip-cameras that will destroy the bigots this time around.....its just so suprising that soooooooo soon after the holocaust anti-semetism is rearing its nasty head again.....and once again society will have to chop off it's head with automatic weapons fire. God I hate racists, homophobes, and bigots. Ignorant cowards deep down.

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    #113
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    and now REUTERS has been busted again cropping photos outta the "Flotilla" incident showing the "pace activists terrorists" holding knives to the israeli soldiers. There were also 16 confirmed Hamas members aboard this boat of passion lol.

    Does this mean Reuters is an Islamic Supremist outfit?
    YID With LID: Reuters Brings Fauxtography to the Gaza Flotilla

    story broke by little green footballs, who also helped end Dan Rathers bogus career built on puff piece opinion journalism.

    This isnt reuters first attempt to doctor the facts.....they have been busted NUMEROUS times.
    Adnan Hajj photographs controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reuters is now an irrelevant news agency who chooses what they see fit to print.......busted by regular joes in their pajamas who do more research than the entire research dept. at Reuters. Shits to easy.

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    #114
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Quote Originally Posted by WIlDuce1883
    ...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
    SNIPPET There was a certain point where you went from funny, to laughable. I believe it was when you first opened your mouth, but would have to go back and double-check. :jointsmile:
    Rusty you just proved his point. Attempting to discredit another persons argument in this way discredits your position. You would do better sticking to facts that you can back up. It seems some in this thread think if they shout loud and long enough that their point of view will prevail. Similarly, repeating a half truth or lie often enough does not make it fact.

    I am not interested in name calling, shouting. Similarly, I am not interested in half truths. I'll give an example. Someone pointed out that Israel was established by the UN and that this solution was rejected by the Arab League. Yes this is true but it is only part of the truth. Given some context and you may see it differently. At the time that the UN moved to partition Palestine the Jewish populations was between 6% and 12% of the total population and legally owned less than 3% of the land base. Yet they were awarded 52% of the land base under the partition plan - and the most productive land at that. (See Arieh L. Avneri (1984). The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land Settlement and the Arabs, 1878??1948, p224.) If established according to the UN partition, the newly formed Jewish state would have had and overwhelming Arab majority. The Arabs protested that this was not fair. In this light it is not an unreasonable position. They called for a democratic solution based on national referendum, a proposal rejected by the Zionist supporters, also for obvious reasons. It is also important to recall that this decision by the UN was taken at a time when colonial conquest was still the dominant mindset.

    In this thread I have read a lot of BS about "Jihadis". This is thinly veiled racism. This term attempts to lump together anyone who opposes the expansionist policies of the Israeli state into one group that can be reviled by all. It is unacceptable.

    To the topic at hand. Who was responsible for the disaster on the flotilla? My guess is that the truth lays somewhere in the middle. I am always amazed at how Israelis find themselves amongst murderous crowds and somehow they all walk away. Perhaps a bit bloodied but they walk away while they leave a trail of dead in their wake. Amazing that no Israelis died on that boat, eh? I do know this. Israel has all the evidence they need. If they have nothing to hide then why don't they simply return all of the cameras and footage that exists? Failure to do so is damning.

    Finally, if you have not experienced life under occupation then you don't know what you are talking about; you should refrain for trying to understand the mindset of those that live with the day to day humiliation, denial, and death that the occupation brings about.

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    #115
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Israels blockade is COMPLETELY LEGAL under international law.

    Yes, Israel has the LEGAL right to stop ships in international waters

    Yes, Israel has the right to use force when stopping a ship

    and sorry, this wasn't "piracy" under ANY legal definition

    and this backs up what Im saying...

    International Humanitarian Law - San Remo Manual 1994

    This was a kooky PR attempt by islamic conservative NUTS plain and simple.....the terrorist sympathizers and bigots aboard got EXACTLY what they asked for. PLEASE.......send more flotillas Hamas.

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    #116
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    now the word "Jihadi" is racist? Whats next Mr. Politically Correct Police Officer? Is calling someone a "yankee" now racist? Pathetic......blah,blah,blah. Control freaks....people can say whatever they want. Get over it or move to another forum.....cry babies GALORE on this site.

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    #117
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Islandborn clearly shows that some people should not smoke or use cannabis in any manner.

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    #118
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    See if you can engage in a reasonable debate on the issues. Try to respond with some sense of mutual respect. I have not disrespected you. Please show me the same courtesy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Islandborn
    Israels blockade is COMPLETELY LEGAL under international law.
    Again, just saying it does not make is so. Can you back it up? Would you please cite relevant international laws or protocols that justify your statement? Don't just parrot what Mark Regev an others say. Show us that you have done your home work - that you have done some critical thinking on this issue. If you are relying on the San Remo Agreement please point to those articles that you think apply. More importantly, tell us why the San Remo Agreement takes precedent over the 1982 Law of the Seas Treaty which governs maritime law in international waters beyond 12 miles of a sovereign coast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Islandborn
    Yes, Israel has the LEGAL right to stop ships in international waters.
    Again, any chance that you can justify this? Don't just give us a link provided by Mark Regev, et al. Show us that you know what you are talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Islandborn
    Yes, Israel has the right to use force when stopping a ship and sorry, this wasn't "piracy" under ANY legal definition and this backs up what Im saying... International Humanitarian Law - San Remo Manual 1994
    And this backs up what I'm saying:

    The San Remo agreement being used by Israel to justify its attacks on the flotilla is only part of international maritime law. But accepting this as the governing body of law for the moment, there is nothing in the San Remo agreement that allows a belligerent state to murder civilians in international waters. The San Remo agreement allows countries to stop ??merchant vessels? in international waters under the following conditions:

    -- If the vessels ??are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.?

    In this case, the blockade of Gaza is an illegal action. U.N. Security Council Resolution 1860 censured Israel for collectively punishing the people of Gaza. The resolution calls for ??the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including food, fuel, and medical treatment.? And before you start with the tired line about how the UN is biased against Israel, note that this was not a resolution of General Assembly but rather the five permanent members of the UN including the United States.

    --If the vessels ??engage[s] in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy?

    --If vessels are ??act[ing] as auxiliaries to the enemy??s armed forces?

    --If vessels ??are incorporated into or assist the enemy??s intelligence system?

    --If vessels ??sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft?

    --Or if vessels ??otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy??s military action.?

    Note that these ships were inspected at a number of ports en route to Gaza. They were supplying relief supplies for civilians targeted by the illegal blockade. Had there been anything of note on board those ships it would have been front page news the next day.

    A more relevant international treaty in the case of this attack is the 1982 Law of the Sea Treaty. This agreement allows for the ??innocent passage? of ships in international waters if their behavior is not deemed ??prejudicial to the peace, good order or the security? of the respective coastal state.

    The Israeli attack took place 80 miles offshore, far outside of Israel??s sovereignty (which extends no further than 12 miles from Israel??s coast), in a zone where the Law of the Sea Treaty is the only basis for enforcement. It is clear why Israel and her appeasers do not want this treaty to apply as this attack would constitute a clear violation of the law. Not much different from what is going on off the coast of Somalia.

    Again, where is the footage seized from the dozens of journalists on board? Why don't we get to see that? Where is it? You and I both know why it is being suppressed. It shows the murder of 9 civilians including 5 executed with shots to the back of the head and back.

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    #119
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Islandborn
    now the word "Jihadi" is racist? Whats next Mr. Politically Correct Police Officer? Is calling someone a "yankee" now racist? Pathetic......blah,blah,blah. Control freaks....people can say whatever they want. Get over it or move to another forum.....cry babies GALORE on this site.
    Again, no need for disrespect. Have I disrespected you? It seems to be part of a strategy - get all worked up, jump up and down, yell and shout. Anything except debate the issues right?

    You use "Jihadi" in reference to anyone who defends Palestinian rights. With Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, the use of this word is highly politicized and evokes a visceral and predictable reaction. I don't call all apologists for Israel Kach supporters, or even Zionist. Blanketing everyone with the same term in an effort to denigrate them or their beliefs smacks of racism. Please tell me where I am wrong. I would be happy to be proven wrong. I am not beyond recognizing my own shortcomings when facts are put before me.

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    #120
    Senior Member

    Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsby
    Blanketing everyone with the same term in an effort to denigrate them or their beliefs smacks of racism.
    in some circumstances it shows a bias of some sort, but i don't think you can describe it as racism. the one thing that all jihadists have in common is a devotion to some fundamentalist form of islam. they come in all colors and, though a majority are from the middle east, from all over the world, so i really don't think that racism is the proper term.

    racism is, however, the proper term if your goal is to engender a distrust of someone using the term "jihadist". though it has been over-used, it still elicits a certain dismay among the majority of westerners. it's a great defense when all reason has failed, just cry racism and you're sure to win a few of the more weak-minded fence-sitters to your side.

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