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04-14-2005, 05:31 PM #1OPSenior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
WASHINGTON - FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday asked lawmakers to expand the bureau??s ability to obtain records without first asking a judge, and he joined Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in seeking that every temporary provision of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act be renewed.
??Now is not the time for us to be engaging in unilateral disarmament? on the legal weapons now available for fighting terrorism, Gonzales, for his part, told senators.
He said that some of the most controversial provisions of the Patriot Act have proven invaluable in fighting terrorism and aiding other investigations. ??It??s important that these authorities remain available,? Gonzales told the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Mueller said sections of the law that allow intelligence and law enforcement agencies to share information are especially important.
??Experience has taught the FBI that there are no neat dividing lines that distinguish criminal, terrorist and foreign intelligence activity,? Mueller said in his prepared testimony.
He also asked Congress to expand the FBI??s administrative subpoena powers, which allow the bureau to obtain records without approval or a judge or grand jury.
"For many years, the FBI has had administrative subpoena authority for investigations of crimes ranging from drug trafficking to health care fraud to child exploitation," he stated. "Yet, when it comes to terrorism investigations, the FBI has no such authority."
15 provisions at stake
The Patriot Act is the post-Sept. 11 law that expanded the government??s surveillance and prosecutorial powers against suspected terrorists, their associates and financiers. Most of the law is permanent, but 15 provisions will expire in December unless renewed by Congress.
On the same day Gonzales was speaking to the Senate committee, Sens. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and Dick Durbin, D-Ill., planned to reintroduce legislation designed to curb major parts of the Patriot Act that they say went too far.
??Cooler heads can now see that the Patriot Act went too far, too fast and that it must be brought back in line with the Constitution,? said Gregory Nojeim, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union??s Washington legislative office.
The ACLU is part of an unusual coalition of liberal and conservative groups, including the American Conservative Union, that have come together in a joint effort to lobby Congress to repeal key provisions of the Patriot Act.
'Library provision' is controversial
Among the controversial provisions is a section permitting secret warrants for ??books, records, papers, documents and other items? from businesses, hospitals and other organizations.
That section is known as the ??library provision? by its critics. While it does not specifically mention bookstores or libraries, critics say the government could use it to subpoena library and bookstore records and snoop into the reading habits of innocent Americans.
Gonzales told lawmakers Tuesday the provision has been used 35 times, but never to obtain library, bookstore, medical or gun sale records.
But the criticism has led five states and 375 communities in 43 states to pass anti-Patriot Act resolutions, the ACLU says.
Even some Republicans are concerned. Senate Judiciary Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., has suggested it should be tougher for federal officials to use that provision.
Gonzales already has agreed to two minor changes to the provision, and was expected to support giving someone who receives a secret warrant under the provision the right to consult a lawyer and challenge the warrant in court. He was expected to also back slightly tightening the standard for issuing subpoenas.
Bigger concerns
Neither change addresses the central concern of opponents, which is that it allows the government to seize records of people who are not suspected terrorists or spies.
Critics say the law allows the government to target certain groups, but the Justice Department counters that no Patriot Act-related civil rights abuses have been proven.
Just in case, Craig and Durbin want Congress to curb both expiring and nonexpiring parts of the Patriot Act, including the expiring ??library? provision and ??sneak and peek? or delayed notification warrants. Those warrants ?? which will not expire in December ?? allow federal officials to search suspects?? homes without telling them until later.
The Justice Department said federal prosecutors have asked for 155 such warrants since 2001.
That's just two-tenths of one percent of all search warrants, but their use is growing. The warrants were sought 47 times between the time the law was passed and April of 2003. Since then, it's been invoked 108 times.
Gonzales also notes that the law has been used in non-terrorism cases. For example, federal officials used it to track over the Internet a woman who ultimately confessed to strangling a pregnant woman and cutting the fetus from her womb.
And such searches have been allowed for years in drug and organized crime cases.
The Associated Press and NBC's Pete Williams contributed to this report.
PeaceHerbaholic00 Reviewed by Herbaholic00 on . FBI seeks expanded search powers WASHINGTON - FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday asked lawmakers to expand the bureau??s ability to obtain records without first asking a judge, and he joined Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in seeking that every temporary provision of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act be renewed. ??Now is not the time for us to be engaging in unilateral disarmament? on the legal weapons now available for fighting terrorism, Gonzales, for his part, told senators. He said that some of the most Rating: 5
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04-14-2005, 05:47 PM #2Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
The Patriot act is long as hell. Just paging through it takes a couple minutes. I don't really like the act too much. Mabey it would be okay if it was temporary , being valid until the end of the war, because the government shoulden't be able to go into your home without your permission.
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04-14-2005, 06:08 PM #3OPSenior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
The reason why the new terror laws wern;t passed in the uk is beciuase there was no sun set clause. The opposistion wanted the laws reviewed yearly but Mr Blair(asshole) wudn;t compromise. He'll get them passed tho, one way or another, that is for sure.
Peace
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04-14-2005, 11:05 PM #4Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
The "war" on terror cannot be won as its fighting a tactic not an actual enemy, its like fighting a war on The blitzkrieg, its a military strategy not a tangible thing. So the war will never be over so even if the patriot act said "This will be defunct when the war on terror is over" it would never be defunct as any future president or powermonger (meh same thing) would just say we havent won the war on terror. It's a catch 22.
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04-14-2005, 11:43 PM #5Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
The war on terror is an ideological construct. "Terror" is defined as anything we say they may do, to put it roughly. In any event what is opposed is not 'terror' in itself, but obstacles towards empire.
Well, they\'ll stone you when you walk all alone.
They\'ll stone you when you are walking home.
They\'ll stone you and then say you are brave.
They\'ll stone you when you are set down in your grave.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.
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04-15-2005, 01:22 PM #6Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
Originally Posted by ihateapplesandsalt
what a dream world you live in.\"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"
William F. Buckley Jr.
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04-15-2005, 06:38 PM #7Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
What do you mean dream world? The presdident himself said if your not with us, your against us.
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04-15-2005, 06:43 PM #8Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
Btw bush can suck my nob, that dirty would be dictator, capitalist, pussy, son of a bitch.
I just had to let that out, sorry for the outburst. =P
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04-15-2005, 09:12 PM #9Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
Originally Posted by Edgar
so what?that is an accurate statement!\"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"
William F. Buckley Jr.
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04-15-2005, 09:29 PM #10Senior Member
FBI seeks expanded search powers
THE FUCK IT IS! Just because I dont support bush's bullshit war, and his slicing and dicing of the constitution doesn't mean im against America! I am a fuckin american and i take personal fuckin offence, when a dipshit spoiled bitch boy like him, says I am against the US. He's a greedy fuck, and i dont believe for one second he has a real patriotic bone in his body.
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