Aspirin: How long for effects?

[WashougalWonder]

Rusty,
Ya, I am checking the buds, nodes, every bit of the plant as it is in the flower room and I certainly do not want to get a bunch of my girls knocked up....just got things back in order from when I had my heart attack last winter.

That is partly why I want this thing to get my nanners, as it messes with my plant count.

Well I will research the GA, the plant is starting to show signs of continuing growth instead of just sitting stagnant.

You raised some questions tho, you mention genetic changes down the road...generations. Can you elaborate? Do you mean that any seeds derived will (once grown) continue to change back to the original male/female/hermie?????

Please describe your method of light poisoning.
Thanks Dude

[Rusty Trichome]

Rusty,
Ya, I am checking the buds, nodes, every bit of the plant as it is in the flower room and I certainly do not want to get a bunch of my girls knocked up....just got things back in order from when I had my heart attack last winter.
That is partly why I want this thing to get my nanners, as it messes with my plant count.

I know what you mean about plant count. Pollinating only a couple ladies, and you end-up having to keep 'em till the seeds have fully developed, throwing-off the crop rotation even further, lol. Tiz why I paint the pollen on the lower branches. I can harvest the bulk of the plant, but leave the seeds to cook longer in a secluded corner.

Well I will research the GA, the plant is starting to show signs of continuing growth instead of just sitting stagnant.

I ended-up not giving the GA much of an effort. Lost a couple of branches, (fried) and the aspirin technique was starting to show some success, so I quit using it as a failure. Likely I could have dialed it in, but wasn't worth the back-up it was creating. The stuff does work with cracking tough to germinate seeds though. (old, immature...)

You raised some questions tho, you mention genetic changes down the road...generations. Can you elaborate? Do you mean that any seeds derived will (once grown) continue to change back to the original male/female/hermie?????

Anything that can influence the plant over time can and will change the 'habits' of a plant. If you keep feeding the plants hormones, they start talking in a soft voice, want a new wardrobe, and start wearing make-up. A big pain in the ass...<kidding>
Hormones and steroids alter the plants response to it's enviornment. This can include, but is not limited to it's response to light, heat, wind, ground conditions, humidity, predation... And being a cause-and-effect living being, it stores these responses in their genetic memory bank for future reference and possible use. This can alter the plants intermode elongation or compaction, trichomes pore spacing, pithy or hollow stems, flavors and aftertaste...And it can also alter sexual expression, which is why we are using it on cannabis. The major problem is, that over time, it can genetically imprint hermaphrodism in the genes. Usually from continued femming of sucessive generations of seeds, or from starting with a genetically weak subject to begin with.
Somewhere in the distant past (thousands of years ago...?) cannabis found that in emergencies, throwing-out a few late-stage nanners helped to propogate the species. Twas a sucessful evolutionary 'hail mary'. Taking advantage of this recessive trait is why we are able to fem the ladies now a days. Do it too often, hermaphrodism becomes no longer recessive, but an active genetic response to maturity.

Please describe your method of light poisoning.
Thanks Dude

Ok. I wait till she's been in active flower mode for a couple or few weeks. (I let her get into her flowering rhythm) Then, I place the lady to be exposed near the front of my outdoor growshed. Once it's been in dark for a couple of hours, I sneak in and steal her away into the house. I put her under a couple of 23w growth CFL's for 10-30 minutes (Depending on what's on tv. Plants love the Discovery channel, by the way...) then I return her to the shed. When I first tried this, I was doing it two or three days, and waiting for a response. (no longer removing her, but looking for nanners) Now, I keep doing it till I see nanners peeking out. About a week, week and a half, depending on the strain. The idea is to not have a steady schedule for her. I even vary the times I remove her from the shed. One night, the 6:00 news, the next night Jay Leno, the next is American Idol... It pisses 'em off, and nanners are usually the result. Like an advanced, purpose-driven light leak.

The thing I love most about the light poisoning, is when you re-veg her...she forgets all about the abuses, and 'normal' sexuality (and re-veg growth) returns.

Never heard of a fem-proof cannabis plant, so you should eventually find the right combination for your ladies. I'm sure there's a strain or two that are ultra stubborn, but cannabis is cannabis.

[ForgetClassC]

WE are planning on making a GPD x Cheese and a GPD x CHocolope this season, the GPD x Chocolope should be some niiiiiice.

-C

[Rusty Trichome]

The Chocolope cross sounds intriguing...but does the cheese really taste like cheese...? <kidding>

[WashougalWonder]

I found some stuff yesterday with GA in it that is used to set tomato blooms. Has some other stuff too. Anyhow comes in spray bottle???

Yesterdays inspection shows there is new growth again, so lookin close.

So far I the light has been a day in veg room, a day in flower, back and forth, inconsistent changes. Sometimes I skip a day on either side.

Back to the GA, spray it on? A lot, a little, virtually no info out there on doing this...that I have found.

[Rusty Trichome]

From what I understand, the key is the concentration of GA in the solution. (which, I didn't fully understand, and burned the ladies, lol)

Like I said, I used Mega Gro, and their website has some helpful GA info. GA Growing Tips
After the growing tips, it lists the different application rates and 'special' concentrations. (page 6)

I don't know which product you did get, but perhaps their website would have some product-specific info along the same lines. But start out with lower concentrations, either way.

Come to think of it, that's one of the reasons for my frustration with the stuff. I wanted it to save a strain but had no experience with GA. Was running out of time, and was getting desperate. I went with the higher dilution rates, and paid the price of panicked ignorance. Once I burned the branches I sprayed it on, and I found aspirin worked, I never used it for femming again.
I have used it on occation for tough to crack seeds though.

Coffee's ready, and it's Amber's turn on the computer. BBL.

[WashougalWonder]

Well tossed the subject that have been working on. Decided to make a clone to make a male, period, end of story.

I will get some of that stuff you linked me to and read the whole document, not in reading mode right now.

The one I was working on just was not looking good, and heck since my garden is perpetual, I can make just one clone to induce maleness in. I can start the light poison as soon as flowers show, same with the aspirin, and then use the GA if I have to. I really want the genetics as pure as possible, I really, really want to perpetuate this with seeds.

Along the way, I am learning how to utilize this species without getting a tolerance buildup. Only use it once per day at the most and it stays one hit weed. :rastasmoke:
:S5:

[Rusty Trichome]

That sux. You'll likely run into the same problem with every femming technique though. Takes some dialing-in and patience. I know all too well about interferring with a perpeptual grow. Tiz a bitch keeping one mature lady around, and have to raise the incoming plants to match it's height for the lights. Thank goodness for milk crates, lol. :thumbsup:

I do start the stressing process (aspirin) once sex has been established and they are just starting their PMS, about a week into flower. (PMS - pre-motherhood stretch)
Now I'm wondering if the timing is as important as the method...
(gee, thanks. More shit to learn, lol)

But, I know it works because I've done it a few times with each method.
I'm in the beginnings of a seed run and can't do it now, but I'll have to go get some aspirin and see if I can commit to a grow log. Perhaps I'll do both methods side-by-side and see what happens. Going to be a couple/few months, though. I almost ran myself out of PokerFace, so I'm in 'panicking for pollination' mode. It's not a strain I'd feel ok about losing, nor would I risk femming till 'normal' seeds are in-hand.
Yes, I feel that proper, pre-planned femming is basically a stable process and doesn't degrade the genes if done infrequently, but I'm not stupid. :jointsmile:

Also, for future reference...never fem a female seed, femmed last run. Pollinate with a male inbetween to re-assert genetic stability.

Hope all else is well. Say Hi to the wife for us...

[WashougalWonder]

Now I'm wondering if the timing is as important as the method...
(gee, thanks. More shit to learn, lol) COOL

Also, for future reference...never fem a female seed, femmed last run. Pollinate with a male inbetween to re-assert genetic stability.

Hope all else is well. Say Hi to the wife for us...

And a Hi comes back at you's.

The "fem a female seed." Most of the special stuff I have is a fem from cross female pollination...does that make sense? I rarely cross one on itself. Does that put me in that category of femming a female seed, femmed last run? Don't have a male of the species, that is the damn problem. The only one I did that with was my white widow and came up with a very indica dom that has most of the taste, smell, and high characteristics of the original white widow and thus far (3 years) no tendency to herm. It does not look like it's mother at all.

In particular, RMT, the one I have been playing with trying to get nanners, was multiple stressed fem pollination from several different mothers over time, eliciting this plant.

New item...you mention large mothers. I don't bother, I just make sure I have a clone that took before the eldest goes into flower. If I did it keeping all sorts of mothers around I would be well over my legal count. Heck half my garden is 'mothers' in various stages of vegetative growth. About half make it to the flower room, the rest just perpetuate and the eldest get murdered if count is an issue. I develop tolerance so fast, I have to use different stuff every day to keep down on consumption.

Right now, my garden has a bunch of newbies from seeds I deliberately made. Many will not go to flower first round as I need to make sure that my regular stuff supply will not suffer if any of these are loosers.

[Rusty Trichome]

The "fem a female seed." Most of the special stuff I have is a fem from cross female pollination...does that make sense? I rarely cross one on itself. Does that put me in that category of femming a female seed, femmed last run? Don't have a male of the species, that is the damn problem. The only one I did that with was my white widow and came up with a very indica dom that has most of the taste, smell, and high characteristics of the original white widow and thus far (3 years) no tendency to herm. It does not look like it's mother at all.

The 'femming a female seed" is just a guideline to help keep the genetics sound. If there's no choice, there's no choice. But if I were paying top dollar for femmed seeds, I'd do what was necessary not to have to pay that price again, by making my own seeds.

New item...you mention large mothers. I don't bother, I just make sure I have a clone that took before the eldest goes into flower. If I did it keeping all sorts of mothers around I would be well over my legal count. Heck half my garden is 'mothers' in various stages of vegetative growth.

I was refering to a slow-growing female from the last crop taking forever to finish, while you have a new crop all ready to go into flower. With a 1000w HPS it's effective light range is up to 4 feet though, so I put the slow grower against the wall and adjust light to a happy middle-ground. When this happens, I often harvest her earlier than I'd like. Oh well.

About half make it to the flower room, the rest just perpetuate and the eldest get murdered if count is an issue. I develop tolerance so fast, I have to use different stuff every day to keep down on consumption.

I used to mix it up...sativa dom, then an indica, back-n-forth, mainly because of the tollerance issues. Now, I find myself pushing the seeds from sativa doms twords the back of the cupboard and going with the heavy indica's.

Are you running one growth room and one flowering room?
I did for years. Still do, but now I also have a seedling/clone room on fluoro tubes. From the fluoro tubes, they go to CFL's. From the CFL's they go to HPS. A slow rise in progressive light intensity. I got tired of coming-up short on plant count in flower, and I'd rather cull 50 seedlings due to a back-up, than have vacant spots in the flower room. :thumbsup: