Photo sensitive burn.

[Gilbert]

Going to need more info. Never mind...I'll go look for it. :jointsmile:

Ok thanks, let me know! :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

:what:well, shit,... apparently I'm a douche, and need to put my girl out side because I don't know how to set up or control her environment.

I'm sure the overnight lows of mid 40-50's with Highs of barely into the 70's, and direct sun light won't hurt when she photo burns under 150 watts of illumination thats 2-5 feet away.

Bit cynical, but that's what you guy's are saying


I know that I should be PHing the water, and I've finally got myself a test kit, and will next time I water her, but that's still 2 day's out at least, unless you think I should do something else.

Aloha,
Weezard

P. S.:
If a plant wilts with more light, (not heat, but light), look to the roots.
More light = more transpiration.
Neemed roots no can, so plant wilts.

Thank you Weezard, any advice on how to get the neem OUT of the soil and off the roots? as I posted in my thread, I may have F'd up the dosage. (more than likely since there's nothing out there about dosing the soil that I can find)

Repotting? more flushing? leave it the fuck alone and get her out of my shitty uncontrolled blacked out cabinet?



Thanks for the help Rusty




Over night temps were 69.3 low 81.7 high with a 44% RH low, and RH peaked at 62%, lights are on 24-0 (shitty as they are, and as much as she can stand without burning)

Just PH'd the tap water, and it's WAY high right from the tap, 8.5+ we have been letting it set out for a day or more before watering for the last few weeks. Still have to PH some water that's been setting, will post that this evening when I get home from work.


Thanks for the reply's all, this is a learning experience for me.

[Gilbert]

[quote=canniwhatsis]:what:well, shit,... apparently I'm a douche, and need to put my girl out side because I don't know how to set up or control her environment.


My humor is dark and I can be a smart ass ( I like me this way ).

FYI, I have watched my own girls turn brown and die, turn brown and not die, but almost, saw leaves with spots, burns and bugs and no roots.

It did take time for me to "get it". It also took some cash to get it right and then with reading, asking and more cash and then more reading, it began to take off.

Everyone I know has been there and done that. Dont get too discouraged. Just prepare your head to loose some plants. You will figure it all out in time.

Still learning.

[Rusty Trichome]

Inadequate light. Incandescents are no good for growing, nor are spot growlights. They throw out more heat than usable lumens.

What part of this statement tells you I didn't read your post? The part where I tell you your incandescent lighting is inadequate, or the part where I warn you (and others that may be curious) about the grow spots? BTW...which page of the threasd did you specifically want us to go hunt down, or did you assume we had nothing better to do than read the thread in it's entirety...?

There are minimum requirements to keeping cannabis happy and healthy. Fresh air supply (and the CO2 it contains) is a necessary component. Stagnant air chokes-off normal gas-air exchange.

If you can't supply the basics like fresh air, heat removal, proper phing and nutrients...this will be nothing but a sour learning experience. No ammount of arguing or whining will change this. It's not that I don't like you, but I don't feel overwhelmingly obligated to doing someone else's job. It was your job to provide all relevant info so we can help you over the rough spots. Technically, you did a half-assed job. After completing the form, you get lazy...?

Rarely do I use 'kid gloves' when stating my thoughts. Bummer if it annoys you, but join the club. Doubtful the mod's like me much either.

[canniwhatsis]

Sorry Rusty, Just stressed out on my first grow after my plant about shit the bed.

Yeah, I did a half assed job in some respects, Lazy? No,.... Weeeeee bit drunk at that time of night tho! :glugglug:

I kinda figured you've got a wealth of knowledge crammed in that puddle of grey stuff between your ears, thanks for coming right out and telling me what I already knew. (poor lighting and needing certain amount of CO2 ect...)

Your No Candy Coating attitude came across as a bit harsh last night, but fuck it's a free country so have at it! :thumbsup: I'll try and not get miffed

I grabbed the ears of a couple growers in my area today, and the consensus is that I F'd up with the Neem, and I shouldn't do that again. I really need to be PH'ing my water, even tho I'm vegging and in soil, It'll come back to haunt me later if I don't. I'm alright with the "actual" light (the T5's) that I have for now, tho I need to get her back under it ASAP! (As soon as the clones are rooted/dead)


How low of temps can I go? If I open my vents up even for a few minuets the temps fall into the mid to low 60's on a day like today, and humidity even with a humidifier running full blast will not break 35% I just don't have the heat sources in the booth yet to really need the vent's other than flow thru.

[canniwhatsis]

A buddy hooked me up with an old 150 watt MH in a bell style reflector, that's better right? Right now its about 4.5 feet from the plant, and I've got her off in one of the slightly darker corners I'll ease her into the more direct light and see what happens. Timer's back on the old schedule.

As a result there's enough of a heat source that I've got my exhaust fan running,(also on the timer to reduce night time heat loss) I'd guess it's pulling around 30 cfm thru the booth, (rated at 62, but it's pushing thru a long duct with several turns, so I've lost a lot of that) Better?

Also managed to find the one window fan that still works to get some better circulation in the main booth, Better?

PH of my tap water hasn't dropped much if at all by setting out,.... I'll need to get some PH DOWN this week,... soils still soaked from flushing, I'm not going to have to water for a while still I think, better?

The burns don't seem to be progressing as badly, if at all today, and the new growth is smelling like cannabis again. :jointsmile:

Temps with the light and fans on stayed around 75, humidity read 46%, but the thermometer is in the cabinet,... need to move that out next to the plant to get a better reading.



Note to self, never try and use neem on soil again!


Rusty, No hard feelings, I lashed out because I was totally stressed out, the move out of the little cabinet that I had under nearly perfect control (to my novice eyes anyway) and into the larger room was supposed to take longer than this, I didn't have any of the stuff accumulated to try and make the move, I could have kept her in the cabinet for another month. And I had my budget built around doing just that, I'm kinda hosed now.

Props to my bro on the MH hookup! :thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

Eeeewwwwwww. You drink alcohol? Yuck. (Anyhow, technically it's against site rules to discuss any drugs.)
Rarely do I get mad, but I am often...passionate.

Nice to see ya back.
-But-
regardless of the reason, we are all responsible for our posted words. No excuses the next day. "the dog ate my homework" or "I must have been drunk" are not valid excuses. (ok...life lesson over now)

The 150 is a much better tool than the cieling light and incandescents. You can still use the t-5's for side lighting, which would be a benefit. I keep my 1000 watter (enclosed hood, no cool tube) about 20" from the tops. Likely you can go much closer with your 150. I'd check and see how close to the light you can get your hand without disconfort. If your hand can take the heat for over 30 seconds, so can the plants. But best to ease into it over a day or so. This way you don't set 'em and forget 'em. Coming back to crispy buds would suck.

If you start seeking parts for the 150w unit now, you'll know where to get replacement parts and bulbs before they are necessary. (plan ahead)

Old growth is old news. Your leaves won't fully recover, but keep an eye on the new growth. That will be the indicator that you are on the right track. (or not)

You're going to need to feed tham pretty soon, too.

My ladies start to stress under 65ish. Somewhat more importantly, is keeping the difference in low and high temps to as narrow a range as possible. The plants seem to love consistentcy there. Proper ventilation is more important during the daylight hours. It's not nearly as important to vent during the night, as it is to vent during daylight hours.

So homework for the week...

Find an aquarium ph test kit, and some phDown. (freshwater) Do not adjust the ph unless you know the numbers, first.
Get some nutrients with an N-P-K proper for growing cannabis in it's two different cycles. Lower phosphorous for the growth phase, higher phosphorous for flowering. Canna or Fox Farms are a couple with good results.
Check prices for No-Pest srtips. Try and kill 'em before the need for more neem.
(no excuses that the dog ate your homework)

If your soil is holding water too much after a good soaking or flush, you might want to consider adding perlite to lighten-up the soil and/or turn-up the circulating fan a notch.

Good luck with 'em. Glad you got the HID light. You'll want to go even bigger once you see the difference. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Eeeewwwwwww. You drink alcohol? Yuck. (Anyhow, technically it's against site rules to discuss any drugs.)
Rarely do I get mad, but I am often...passionate.

Yeah,... I'm trying to quit, I'd love to get a pilots license,... but that's for another thread/forum.

Nice to see ya back.
-But-
regardless of the reason, we are all responsible for our posted words. No excuses the next day. "the dog ate my homework" or "I must have been drunk" are not valid excuses. (ok...life lesson over now)

What's posted is posted,... I'll own up to it

The 150 is a much better tool than the cieling light and incandescents.

I'd check and see how close to the light you can get your hand without disconfort. If your hand can take the heat for over 30 seconds, so can the plants. But best to ease into it over a day or so. This way you don't set 'em and forget 'em. Coming back to crispy buds would suck.

Thanks bro! :thumbsup:

If you start seeking parts for the 150w unit now, you'll know where to get replacement parts and bulbs before they are necessary. (plan ahead)

Already looking,... but I don't know the Kelvin rating of my current bulb! I'm certain its not the 6.5k,... I do believe it's the 10K,... will this hurt anything? :wtf:

150W Metal Halide Replacement Bulbs Aquarium supplies & Aquarium lighting by Hamilton Technology

Old growth is old news. Your leaves won't fully recover, but keep an eye on the new growth. That will be the indicator that you are on the right track. (or not)

I've seen you post this in a number of threads,... and I do believe it!

My Old growth leaves are stunted/burned, but will survive for a while, (I'm not worried about them, since...) the new growth leaves are looking strong and green and smell like cannabis!!!!

You're going to need to feed tham pretty soon, too.

I wasn't planning on feeding or flowering for another couple months,... But I've learned that I over potted my plant,.... SEVERELY! (Clone straight into a 3 gallon pot) and of course there's a TON of problems associated with that.

My recent problems have me thinking of letting the soil fully dry and repotting in a smaller 2ish gallon pot for the moment, to let the plant get more root bound in the remaining soil before expanding into new turf..... :wtf:

Thoughts/opinions on repotting? I'm listening.

My ladies start to stress under 65ish. Somewhat more importantly, is keeping the difference in low and high temps to as narrow a range as possible. The plants seem to love consistentcy there. Proper ventilation is more important during the daylight hours. It's not nearly as important to vent during the night, as it is to vent during daylight hours.

Thanks,... With the MH and Ballast in the booth temps stayed in the 70-80's,.... 40%-50% RH,.... Guess my first practical test of the vents proved more than just a little inaccurate! (not sure I trust my thermometer any more IMHO :wtf: )

So homework for the week...

Find an aquarium ph test kit, and some phDown. (freshwater) Do not adjust the ph unless you know the numbers, first.
Get some nutrients with an N-P-K proper for growing cannabis in it's two different cycles. Lower phosphorous for the growth phase, higher phosphorous for flowering. Canna or Fox Farms are a couple with good results.
Check prices for No-Pest srtips. Try and kill 'em before the need for more neem.
(no excuses that the dog ate your homework)

If your soil is holding water too much after a good soaking or flush, you might want to consider adding perlite to lighten-up the soil and/or turn-up the circulating fan a notch.

Good luck with 'em. Glad you got the HID light. You'll want to go even bigger once you see the difference. :thumbsup:

I've got a drop tester,... not quite as accurate, but it's a ballpark right?

Question,... How do I add Perlite to an already potted plant?

As for the feeding,... I wasn't planning on it before flowering, but during flowering was thinking of the FF "recipe for success" blend, since if I repot it will be in FF Ocean forest.


turned the fan up a notch and made sure it's mostly blasting on the pot,... Hopefully the soil will dry out quicker.:jointsmile:

[Rusty Trichome]

Already looking,... but I don't know the Kelvin rating of my current bulb! I'm certain its not the 6.5k,... I do believe it's the 10K,... will this hurt anything? :wtf:

It's not that the HQI will necessarily hurt your plants, but it isn't at all optimal. Good for aquatic plants and animals, but not great for terrestrial plants. They run too hot, which means you can't get them close enough to promote healthy growth. Plus, they really are the wrong spectrum. The blue end of the spectrum for veg, red end for flower. 10,000k is a middle-of-the-road spectrum, often used to wash the blue from your fish tank. Gives more of a yellowish-green tint to the water, which some tank keepers prefer. (color-blindness...? IDK).

I wasn't planning on feeding or flowering for another couple months,... But I've learned that I over potted my plant,.... SEVERELY! (Clone straight into a 3 gallon pot) and of course there's a TON of problems associated with that.

Yup. Would have been handy info, but that isn't the cause of your lighting and nutrient problems...
You are likely to have late-stage ph issues, since you will have been in the same pot forever.

My recent problems have me thinking of letting the soil fully dry and repotting in a smaller 2ish gallon pot for the moment, to let the plant get more root bound in the remaining soil before expanding into new turf.....

No need to let the soil fully dry for transplant, just not too moist. :thumbsup: But regardless, at this point, it might cause more problems that it's worth. Shoving 3 gallons of shit (just a common phrase...don't get your panties in a wad) into a 2 gallon pot can damage roots and add another layer of stress. I'd ride out the error, and prevent it next time. :thumbsup:

Thanks,... With the MH and Ballast in the booth temps stayed in the 70-80's,.... 40%-50% RH,.... Guess my first practical test of the vents proved more than just a little inaccurate! (not sure I trust my thermometer any more IMHO :wtf: )

A fan-forced exhaust is almost always better than fan-forced intake.

I've got a drop tester,... not quite as accurate, but it's a ballpark right?

For clear liquids, sure.
Keep in mind with the drop testers, the result is color-coded. After you add nutrients or additives, it will skew the result. (red plus blue equals...9.2 ph? ... ) Likely not even in the ballpark. So do not depend on any ph readings, unless you are ph'ing a clear liquid. (water) This especially holds true if trying to ph the runoff. It doesn't work with the drops.

Question,... How do I add Perlite to an already potted plant?

Either wait till your next regular transplant, or, adjust watering quantities and frequency, or...
How much room is there between the top of the rootball, and the top of the pot? If there's enough room, lift the plant out and add either straight perlite or your potting mix with 50% perlite. But make sure to leave enough room in the pot for future watering and feedings.

As for the feeding,... I wasn't planning on it before flowering, but during flowering was thinking of the FF "recipe for success" blend, since if I repot it will be in FF Ocean forest.

When a mix say's it's pre-ferted, it's usually a minimum of nutrients provided to keep the plants alive. But this doesn't mean they will thrive. Miracle Grow Potting Mix says it will last, what, 4 months? (I think...been a while) But in actuality, after a month or so I was having to start 1/2 doses of Fox Farms nutrients. (hint, hint)

turned the fan up a notch and made sure it's mostly blasting on the pot,... Hopefully the soil will dry out quicker.:jointsmile:

I often change my fan angle and position in the growroom to get 'better' circulation, and avoid wind-burn.

If none of this helps, there's a link in my signature regarding a handy Bonsai re-vegging technique.