Dispensaries already lowballing growers

[cowgirl1]

Ok, I get it now...their is no upper limit on patients for centers, thus they can grow as much as they want..how is that different than before? So, is there no provision for automatic rollover from primary caregiver to primary center? Also, are patients forced to choose a "center" and visit only them or will it play out the same as before?

Yes, the dispensary can grow as much as they want...So they think.

So, let me tell you what is going to happen and you can mark my words on this. This new bill will put a few dispensary out of business. Then the Wal-mart dispensary are going to take over and grow large amounts. The DEA is going to raid a few of them with large plants counts to make an example of them. The Dis will spend 50,000 to 100,000 on lawyers to help them in federal court. The growers will go to jail for 5 years, the owners will get fined and slapped on the wrist, put on probation. The gov will seize there stores, money and maybe there homes. The growers/dis will back their plant count down till things blow over.

Off and on during this time the price will go up and down.

The caregivers can only have 5 patients. The gives them 2 choices. Either throw away the dry materail that is above the amount allowed or sell it underground.

The bill has done nothing but hurt the caregiver and the patients at this point and time. Later on it will cost some of the dis money and problems also.

One other thing this bill has done, it will fuel the illegal marijuana trade which will hurt a lot of people and cost the state tax revenue.

[throatstick]

Yes, the dispensary can grow as much as they want...So they think.

So, let me tell you what is going to happen and you can mark my words on this. This new bill will put a few dispensary out of business. Then the Wal-mart dispensary are going to take over and grow large amounts. The DEA is going to raid a few of them with large plants counts to make an example of them. The Dis will spend 50,000 to 100,000 on lawyers to help them in federal court. The growers will go to jail for 5 years, the owners will get fined and slapped on the wrist, put on probation. The gov will seize there stores, money and maybe there homes. The growers/dis will back their plant count down till things blow over.

Off and on during this time the price will go up and down.

The caregivers can only have 5 patients. The gives them 2 choices. Either throw away the dry materail that is above the amount allowed or sell it underground.

The bill has done nothing but hurt the caregiver and the patients at this point and time. Later on it will cost some of the dis money and problems also.

One other thing this bill has done, it will fuel the illegal marijuana trade which will hurt a lot of people and cost the state tax revenue.

you know at the start of this i was for the dispensaries i was on their side.i thought this was going to hurt them and i felt bad for them.but over the last few days and with the help of the releafcenter im starting to see how and why this bill passed.they all sat on their hands hoping this would pass.everyone i called acted like it was no biggie now i see why.to them we are the middle man.they have effectively knocked the caregiver that really helps patients out of the loop.all the while acting as if they were upset when asked.the only one i have seen against this is mark.the rest of em sound like they would sell their soul to make a buck all the while acting as if they give a shit.i mean if you have to sit their and explain all the "compassion" you have as a shop then there is something wrong.

all i can say at this point is what goes around comes around.but this time it will be coming around via dea and patients seeing their true colors....so live it up while ya can

[TheReleafCenter]

you know at the start of this i was for the dispensaries i was on their side.i thought this was going to hurt them and i felt bad for them.but over the last few days and with the help of the releafcenter im starting to see how and why this bill passed.they all sat on their hands hoping this would pass.everyone i called acted like it was no biggie now i see why.to them we are the middle man.they have effectively knocked the caregiver that really helps patients out of the loop.all the while acting as if they were upset when asked.the only one i have seen against this is mark.the rest of em sound like they would sell their soul to make a buck all the while acting as if they give a shit.i mean if you have to sit their and explain all the "compassion" you have as a shop then there is something wrong.

all i can say at this point is what goes around comes around.but this time it will be coming around via dea and patients seeing their true colors....so live it up while ya can

We repeatedly asked our patients to contact their state officials and urge them to vote no on 1284.
We passed out slips to every patient who came in telling them how to contact the governor until it became obvious he was just going to sign it through.
We did blog entries and talked about it on radio spots.
We've gone out of our way to educate ourselves on this bill, where it can be challenged, and what it means for patients.
There have been four or five recent threads where we helped out people on this board answer their questions.
Do your homework on us before you start making scurrilous accusations, please.

[throatstick]

We repeatedly asked our patients to contact their state officials and urge them to vote no on 1284.
We passed out slips to every patient who came in telling them how to contact the governor until it became obvious he was just going to sign it through.
We did blog entries and talked about it on radio spots.
We've gone out of our way to educate ourselves on this bill, where it can be challenged, and what it means for patients.
There have been four or five recent threads where we helped out people on this board answer their questions.
Do your homework on us before you start making scurrilous accusations, please.

i remember when you were talking about it at first but now it seems like you are just fine with it and now going a step further adding even more things you would be "ok"with.what happened to all the stuff you were going to do with mark? all that just seems to have went to the way side cause i have'nt seen anything else about it?

[TheReleafCenter]

i remember when you were talking about it at first but now it seems like you are just fine with it and now going a step further adding even more things you would be "ok"with.what happened to all the stuff you were going to do with mark? all that just seems to have went to the way side cause i have'nt seen anything else about it?

What I've heard is that legal challenges to this bill are in motion. I'm going to have to file a civil suit that may not be resolved for years. This is what I've heard from Edson, The Corry's, CTI's panelists... and pretty conclusively. I'm still interested in what Mark has come up with to stay open, but from what I heard, it sounded like a home rule issue. Ned is a place where that could be really successful. In Denver? I don't know.

[lampost]

I've talked to most of the guys in ReLeaf at one point or another and they seem like good peeps! Don't hate on them for trying to get by and fighting for their investment. I know they started up with at least one grower on board and probably more, so they aren't one just one of these vendor-weed greed machines....

[hippichic420]

It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I tend to think that the shops that do survive this mess will have trouble keeping up with demand. I suspect the ones that manage to stay afloat will produce less strain variety, and quality will suffer from the warehouse scale conditions. The stragglers will be out-competed and shut down by the big boys.

I also predict that A LOT of the extra meds from smaller-scale growers will end up back on the underground... I think it will be affordable, readily available to all, handcrafted, and varietal. I think that the amount available underground will, somehow, drive the development of some new mechanism by which caregivers get their overage into the hands of patients. Technically illegal, but effective. If patients want variety and quality, the underground may end up being a patient's most solid option. I see it generally decreasing patient census at dispensaries.

If this happens, I will feel bad for the local Colorado shop owners, while I will have no sympathy for the big box boys when their support of hb1284 eventually comes back to bite them on their collective asses.

It's just a speculative theory, but seems highly plausible to me.:rasta:

I agree whole heartedly. All hail the return of the black market. The state is giving up billions in revenue from people MORE than willing to pay taxes, BEG to pay taxes, DREAM of paying taxes for what they love. There are VERY very few GOOD growers in this state... it takes YEARS to perfect the art YEARS and YEARS..... Patients will realize quality will prevail.
And I agree excess meds from small grows will leak into the underground market and patiens will eat it up. The novelty of going into a store and having 25 shitty strains to choose from that cost in some cases, three times more than what they have buying from the BM for decades. People are not dumb. Also a point I would like to make is that there are freaking 1000's of grows gong on with people wiht dollar signs in thier eyes, those people are already giving up cuz they will never make it. Warehouse grows will ALWAYS BE COMMERICAL. i have been to Amsterdam, I have seen it w my own eyes. There will always be a demand for quality and quality does not come from a 2000 plant grow. The thing with the BM is that only the true patrons who trully LOVE the plant where in the game, and making the game, ethicaly tolerable.

[hippichic420]

P.S i'm definately not for the return of the BM, would like all of us to operate legally, i'm just making observations.

[Dorje113]

I agree whole heartedly. All hail the return of the black market. The state is giving up billions in revenue from people MORE than willing to pay taxes, BEG to pay taxes, DREAM of paying taxes for what they love. There are VERY very few GOOD growers in this state... it takes YEARS to perfect the art YEARS and YEARS..... Patients will realize quality will prevail.
And I agree excess meds from small grows will leak into the underground market and patiens will eat it up. The novelty of going into a store and having 25 shitty strains to choose from that cost in some cases, three times more than what they have buying from the BM for decades. People are not dumb. Also a point I would like to make is that there are freaking 1000's of grows gong on with people wiht dollar signs in thier eyes, those people are already giving up cuz they will never make it. Warehouse grows will ALWAYS BE COMMERICAL. i have been to Amsterdam, I have seen it w my own eyes. There will always be a demand for quality and quality does not come from a 2000 plant grow. The thing with the BM is that only the true patrons who trully LOVE the plant where in the game, and making the game, ethicaly tolerable.

As a grower in CO since '93 I disagree a bit... mainly on the fact that dispensaries opening up has been a HUGE plus for patients. In the BM you know a guy that knows a few other guys and usually has a $hitty selection of weed that is sometimes good, sometimes bad. Now, there is more competition and prices are lower, patients are getting access to the strains they want and don't have to buy $hit weed because it's the only choice.

You say that "only the true patrons who trully LOVE the plant where in the game, and making the game, ethicaly tolerable." Thats not true at all either. I knew plenty of greedy as fcuk growers producing mediocre weed of $hitty NL and Big Bud, and bringing their $hit weed from CA that they can't sell there. Flooding the front range market with the $hit and selling more than any 10 dispensaries in town combined. When I asked "how can you do it?" all I get is ethically bankrupt excuses. These people will either have to grow good weed (and they probably couldn't even if they wanted to) or find a new occupation. Good Riddance to those a$$hats!!!

[hippichic420]

As a grower in Colorado since 95, I agree bro. Didn't mean to strike a cord just voicing my opinion. Thats why I don't usually post on these forums as I feel like people can just be SO mean with their responses.

With that being said, honey, my sister owns Herbal Connections. I'm not against the dispensaries its what I have worked for for 15 years! I just honestly thought it would be different, but I guess that's my ignorance. I did not forsee the demise of 20 plus of my family members existence, an existence they we have perfected for over a decade, as you have. That my friends will fall is what makes me sad. We should all have a fair shot in this game.... period. And the pro's would prevail be it CG or MMC
Your right as an end user you may get your meds from someone who got it from someone who got it from someone etc... and yes it may be crappy. But by golly gee... Colorado has some damn good DAMN GOOD (albeit few and far between) growers! ...and YES there are also money mongers who want to make money, grow shitty shit, drive to cali bring in crap. They look at a friend who grows and say 'wow i can do that'.... trust me i have seen it time and time and time and time again and let me tell you they never last long.....
I have taught MANY people to grow. MANY and maybe .5 percent kept with it. NOw we have EVERYONE who was to chicken shit to do when it was illegal are now doing it so there is now more shitty product around. My sister tells me she will get 27 vendors a day and 95% is crap! 95%!!!!!! All i'm saying is the BM weeds out the weasels a little. Are they still there yes !
And once again i'm wholeheartedly against the BM making a return. Just making an observation.