just curious

[Colodonmed]

"How many people have read through House Bill 1284? How many can explain it to me?"

Attorney Clifton Black isn't challenging the roughly 60 people at Penrose Library tonight. Instead, he's challenging the prudence of the 78-page medical marijuana bill he's holding in his hands.

"There's a lot of problems in here," he says.

As it turns out, neither Black himself nor fellow attorney Charles Houghton can explain all the ways HB 1284 would impact the dispensary (or medical marijuana center) owners, patients, advocates or others at this Monday gathering. But they do predict that bill sponsor Sen. Chris Romer, D-Denver, is right in saying it'll probably force 30 to 80 percent of the state's centers to close.

And they anticipate it will pass, which it does less than 24 hours later.

Some features of HB 1284:

â?¢ Medical marijuana centers can expect one-time state fees â?? depending on the number of patients â?? divided between dispensary, grow and infused product medication licenses, with undetermined annual fees to come later. Black says those one-time fees could run as high as $15,000.

â?¢ The infamous "70/30" rule. "The alliances that are going to have to be formed between the growers and the dispensary owners are going to be key," Houghton says. "A center has to grow 70 percent of the product it sells, and it can acquire the additional 30 percent, but only from another medical marijuana center." This means independent growers are essentially out of business.

â?¢ Those with drug-related felonies, or a criminal history indicative of a lack of good moral character, may not be licensed. This extends center-wide, meaning criminal histories of everyone from owner through employee must be clean to receive and keep a license.

â?¢ Financial interests in MMCs must be disclosed in the application, meaning no ghost investors.

â?¢ A $5,000 bond will be required. "And that's to make sure that [MMC owners] pay their taxes," Black says. "So you're already going to be treated like a criminal â?? you have to post bond to prove that you pay your taxes."

â?¢ The Department of Revenue's "auditors with guns," as Romer's called them, will pay regular visits, looking at plant numbers, previous harvests, expected harvests, patient counts and more.
Additionally, a statewide one-year moratorium on new MMCs will be in effect from July 1, 2010 through July 1, 2011.

Currently operating centers will have until July 1 to become compliant â?? to submit building drawings, have a storefront, complete background checks, etc. They'll have until Aug. 1 to pay all licensing fees, and until Sept. 1 to prove that 70 percent of all medication is grown in-house.

After having heard the rundown on Monday night, David Schiller of All Good Care Center remains skeptical.

"I think there's going to be a lot of people making funny bed partners," he says. "From that, there's going to be a lot of problems."

Lawsuits are imminent to prevent several parts from being enacted â?? for instance, the mandate for state fees and the option for local governments to ban MMCs.

"There's a hundred million 'gotchas' in this thing along the way," Houghton says. "Just when you think you've got something figured out, you read an additional five pages and something else pops up."




My question is about the auditors. If they are checking plant counts, previous harvests, expected harvest and patient counts, what is going to happen to " bumper crops ", if a center can only grow for registered patients and can only sell up to 30% to another registered center, what will happen if they have excess medication for their patient count? Is it destroyed? Just curious

Colodonmed Reviewed by Colodonmed on 05-14-2010. just curious "How many people have read through House Bill 1284? How many can explain it to me?" Attorney Clifton Black isn't challenging the roughly 60 people at Penrose Library tonight. Instead, he's challenging the prudence of the 78-page medical marijuana bill he's holding in his hands. "There's a lot of problems in here," he says. As it turns out, neither Black himself nor fellow attorney Charles Houghton can explain all the ways HB 1284 would impact the dispensary (or medical marijuana Rating: 5

[TheReleafCenter]

It'll be seized and destroyed. There should be a number of easy ways around that, though. I'm interested to see how they deal with things like edibles and trim.

[Colodonmed]

seized and destroyed huh, wow what the hell are the prices going to leap to?, yeah I agree about the edibles as well, how does one determine how many edibles a patient is allowed? or how much edible product an individual can consume in any given time period. SCARY

[puntacometa]

It'll be seized and destroyed. There should be a number of easy ways around that, though. I'm interested to see how they deal with things like edibles and trim.

This is the most absurd thing I've envisioned yet. Are they going to reimburse us for the percentage of the overhead costs we incur for grid wattage, nutes and high-end potting soil that contributed to the growth of the vegetation to be destroyed? Guess I'll have to start itemizing the number of miles and the amount of fuel it takes me to get to my grow and I'll break this down on a per-plant schedule. We can also add this to the deduction I will take on my taxes for the lost revenue.

These people want to play crazy games but they have no fuckin' idea how crazy the games are gonna' get.

[puntacometa]

seized and destroyed huh, wow what the hell are the prices going to leap to?, yeah I agree about the edibles as well, how does one determine how many edibles a patient is allowed? or how much edible product an individual can consume in any given time period. SCARY

The more I think about this, the more I think that the argument could be made that if dispensaries have the right to buy 30% of their inventory from other dispensaries then each dispensary would have the right to stockpile enough product to provide any other dispensary in the state an amount which could equal 30% of their monthly inventory, so since there will be far fewer dispensaries (let's just say 100, for example) and, in turn, these will be taking on the patient load that was once served by the many other defunct dispensaries, if the biggest dispensary in the state moves 10 pounds a day, then the dispensary that I grow for should be able to stockpile 3 pounds per day x the 100 dispensaries. Maybe that's how these cretins came up with the 3000 plant per dispensary idea.
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[Colodonmed]

There sure are quite a few " what ifs" in the bill., so what if a " center " has to surrender or destroy their excess inventory, what the heck is going to happen to the price?, only goes up as clear as I can see ( which at the moment is kind of nice and hazey ) so I may be mistaken, or the wholesale price just went way down in order to let patients " afford " their medicine. I also wonder how willing centers will be to sell clones once the bill becomes law? again, just curious

[Zedleppelin]

It'll be seized and destroyed. There should be a number of easy ways around that, though. I'm interested to see how they deal with things like edibles and trim.

Are you sure? I heard that they will have an arsenal of options including fines and revoking licenses.

[throatstick]

It'll be seized and destroyed. There should be a number of easy ways around that, though. I'm interested to see how they deal with things like edibles and trim.

what about clones? besides that i thought the state was trying to go "green"?how can we believe that when they want to waste product.by way of saying you have to much so you have to can it?instead of being able to keep and sell later now you have to waste more electric, nutes,water so on to reproduce canned meds? makes me sick...:wtf:

[throatstick]

This is the most absurd thing I've envisioned yet. Are they going to reimburse us for the percentage of the overhead costs we incur for grid wattage, nutes and high-end potting soil that contributed to the growth of the vegetation to be destroyed? Guess I'll have to start itemizing the number of miles and the amount of fuel it takes me to get to my grow and I'll break this down on a per-plant schedule. We can also add this to the deduction I will take on my taxes for the lost revenue.

These people want to play crazy games but they have no fuckin' idea how crazy the games are gonna' get.

and romer was talking about the days of the wild west was over.....sounds like it's just getting started,and he's the one that did it.

[puntacometa]

and romer was talking about the days of the wild west was over.....sounds like it's just getting started,and he's the one that did it.

What this bill will eventually accomplish is the recognition of the futility and massive expense to the state of trying to accomplish what it is going to attempt to do. It's a shame that so many people will be victimized by it.

I have stayed out of the politics of this. I don't know any of the players who are being villified in the other threads here. It sounds to me like they might have been trying to do some good and head off the very thing that we now see happening. Unfortunately for them, and us, the lunatics have now taken over the asylum. There are quite a few decent law enforcement people in this area who just want to be left alone to go after the bad guys. They don't want to harass growers who are working within the legal guidelines as set out by Amendment 20 and dispensary owners who are in compliance with the law.

It appears that Mr. Brown and company misunderestimated the posturing crazies this thing would accummulate as it snowballed out of control. It has run off the rails and this pretty much characterizes the legislative session as the dust settles.....
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